To wear a kilt at the G8 Summit.

**Mike1** · 6th July 05, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by cajunscot

Brian Wilton of the Scottish Tartans Authority recently designed a tartan especially for the G8 summit at Gleneagles:

Makes one wonder if the bampots that have been destroying property in the Stirlingshire area will be destroying this tartan as well...

**Archangel** · 6th July 05, 11:17 AM

Cajunscot, another great link in the tartan authority. help me out, how strong is their authority? am trying to remember the Scottish gov't authority on kiltmaking and traditions but it slips my mind.

the readers' points are correct. The Lady is reflecting the 1780 formal rules which are not recognized in many other places. It's more a tribal thing than a blood thing.

**Woodsheal** · 6th July 05, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by bubba

I'd think President Bush is more entitled to wear an orange jumpsuit.

Take the Bush-bashing to some other site, please. I'm sure the other loons at Democrat Underground would appreciate your views, for example....

**macwilkin** · 6th July 05, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Archangel

Cajunscot, another great link in the tartan authority. help me out, how strong is their authority? am trying to remember the Scottish gov't authority on kiltmaking and traditions but it slips my mind.

the readers' points are correct. The Lady is reflecting the 1780 formal rules which are not recognized in many other places. It's more a tribal thing than a blood thing.

Matt Newsome's article, "What's the 'official' Word about Tartans?" says it better than I ever could:

http://www.albanach.org/official.htm

Cheers,

Todd

**Doc Hudson** · 6th July 05, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Woodsheal

Take the Bush-bashing to some other site, please. I'm sure the other loons at Democrat Underground would appreciate your views, for example....

Thanks!

I'm no great fan of Mr. Bush, but I voted for him twice, and considering the options, don't regret it.

Where are the moderators warning about political posts? Seems that Bush-Bashing is acceptable political activity.

**Archangel** · 6th July 05, 05:18 PM

seems to me that censoring Bush statements in this case is the same as endorsing Bush, that would be more political and unAmerican.
so far so good, leave it alone, there's still room for it to go somewhere.

**Woodsheal** · 6th July 05, 05:27 PM

Well, I come here to relax, and to read and discuss kilt-related topics. And, to escape all the political and culture-war bull$hit that bombards me elsewhere!
No one's calling for 'censorship', but there are plenty of other venues for debates of that nature....

**bubba** · 6th July 05, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Woodsheal

Take the Bush-bashing to some other site, please. I'm sure the other loons at Democrat Underground would appreciate your views, for example....

Considering I've been a Republican supporter for a couple decades, I think you missed something.

**chasem** · 6th July 05, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Doc Hudson

Thanks!

I'm no great fan of Mr. Bush, but I voted for him twice, and considering the options, don't regret it.

Where are the moderators warning about political posts? Seems that Bush-Bashing is acceptable political activity.

I'm with you on both counts here. I like the man. I don't necessarily like everything he's done, or the way he's handled things, but given the options, I think he was the better choice.

Anyway, politics suck, let's get back to kilts!

**M. A. C. Newsome** · 7th July 05, 04:14 AM

Cajunscot, another great link in the tartan authority. help me out, how strong is their authority? am trying to remember the Scottish gov't authority on kiltmaking and traditions but it slips my mind.

Todd beat me to the punch with a link to my article. I was going to post the same thing. Read it -- it pretty much tells it as it is.

the readers' points are correct. The Lady is reflecting the 1780 formal rules which are not recognized in many other places. It's more a tribal thing than a blood thing.

Ah, but the Lady is most certainly not reflecting the customs from 1780. At this time there were but a very small handfull of named tartans -- if any at all -- and these would have been mostly "fashion" names. In other words, no one at the time would have seriously considered the tartans the property of, or even symbols of, the families or places whose names they bore. The only people wearing regulated tartans at this time would have been the military regiments.

The general public would have worn whatever tartan their little hearts desired. They would have gone to see their tailor and picked out a tartan that they liked from what he had available, and given no thought as to its name.

We are lucky enough to have a kilt in our museum from around the year 1800. This is an extraordinary kilt, because it still belongs to the family for whom it was made, and they have the genealogical records to tell us something about who the kilt was originally made for. The family name is Malcolm, but the kilt is not in the Malcolm tartan. The kilt was made in the Locheil tartan (one of the few named tartans at the time). The family, so far as they know, has no connection to the place Lochiel, or the clan Cameron of Lochiel. The original owner seems to have simply picked the tartan because he liked it. In any case, though it was called Lochiel at the time, the tartan would later come to be called Munro!

But my main point is this -- no one in 1780 would have recognized this Lady's attitude as anything indiginous to their culture.

Aye,
Matt