Victorian Kilts

[Archangel]

If you want to get really picky about Queen Vic, she was the German Queen of the United Kingdom of England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales, Empress of India, Defender of the Faith, and several other titles I've forgotten.

Not sure why you are calling her a German Queen of...She was born in Kensington Palace, her line is German but not her. Not sure if she actually had title of any place in Germany (not too sure if Germany existed at this time, don't think so, off-hand). (Because I get called on references: http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page118.asp)

I would disagree with the term Victorian for the reasons discussed earlier but not because of her, the only monarch to show any real interest in Scotland since the union.

Defender of the Faith, is the throne's title not hers, comes from Henry VIII, I believe, the Pope gave it to him a few years before Henry became head of the CofE, a great historic irony.

[Doc Hudson]

I called Queen Victoria "German" because of her blood-lines, not the place of her birth. Her Father was the 5th or 6th son of George III (who was the son of a German born father and a German Princess) and Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, and her mother was Adelaide of Saxe-Meiningen.

If that doesn't make her a German, then the Pope is not Roman Catholic.

And whether the title "Defender of the Faith," which was indeed granted to Henry VIII for his powerful scholastic response to Martin Luther's 95 Theisis, belongs to the monarch or to the monarchy is immaterial. It is a title born by all British Monarchs since Henry VIII's time

[macwilkin]

She also did have (Protestant)Stuart blood in her as well, lads. Charles MacKinnon, in his book "Scottish Highlanders" writes a whole chapter on this.

Archangel, George VI took a great interest in Scotland, and certainly his wife did -- Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, since she was from there! :mrgreen:

Cheers,

Todd

[Doc Hudson]

She also did have (Protestant)Stuart blood in her as well, lads. Charles MacKinnon, in his book "Scottish Highlanders" writes a whole chapter on this.

Archangel, George VI took a great interest in Scotland, and certainly his wife did -- Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, since she was from there! :mrgreen:

Cheers,

Todd

Yes, she was the Great-great-great-great-great-granddaughter of James I/IV. Lots of Scottish blood there. But more Scottish blood than English blood.

And I'll wager that Queen Victoria took more interest in Scotland that James I did after he got the English Crown. And certainly more benevolent interest in Scotland than any of her Hanoverian ancestors.

[Archangel]

I called Queen Victoria "German" because of her blood-lines, not the place of her birth. Her Father was the 5th or 6th son of George III (who was the son of a German born father and a German Princess) and Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, and her mother was Adelaide of Saxe-Meiningen.

If that doesn't make her a German, then the Pope is not Roman Catholic.

And whether the title "Defender of the Faith," which was indeed granted to Henry VIII for his powerful scholastic response to Martin Luther's 95 Theisis, belongs to the monarch or to the monarchy is immaterial. It is a title born by all British Monarchs since Henry VIII's time

please don't think I'm criticizing you here, I'm not. The way you used the adjective German needed more clarification, I thought. Not meant to be that big a deal.
Defender of the Faith wasn't me nitpicking. It's a history point that I find very funny/ironic. I was just commenting on it, maybe because we used to see the title on coins here, it's more familiar to me. Or my strange sense of humour.

[redbaronx71]

Not sure why you are calling her a German Queen of...She was born in Kensington Palace, her line is German but not her. Not sure if she actually had title of any place in Germany (not too sure if Germany existed at this time, don't think so, off-hand).

Germany became "Germany" in 1871. Before this, the Germanic collection of states and principalities was known as The German Empire. "Germans" probably did not think of themselves as "Germans" before 1871-- remember in the American Revolution, the mercinary armies from Hesse we called "Hessians" not "Germans"

[Archangel]

Germany became "Germany" in 1871. Before this, the Germanic collection of states and principalities was known as The German Empire. "Germans" probably did not think of themselves as "Germans" before 1871-- remember in the American Revolution, the mercinary armies from Hesse we called "Hessians" not "Germans"

Thank you, I knew it was later in the 19th Century. Here, I'm responding to somebody else's statement which he sort of makes clearer later on in a fuzzy way. I'm saying birth and residence established her as a British Queen, he is saying that past and future blood connections with nascent German states established her as a German Queen of Britain. I can accept that she was the British Queen with connections to various German states.....and so, to bed.

[Doc Hudson]

And also remember that the Pennsylvania Dutch are not Dutch at all. They are Germans and the "Ducth" name came about when their neighbors corrupted Deutsch to "Dutch."

Even though Germany as a nation-state did not exist until the German Reich was proclaimed in Versailles Palace by Wilhelm I in 1870, the concept of Germany as a collection of principalities was long in existance. (In fact, the concept of Germany came into being during the late Roman period. Does the name Germanicus ring any bells?) Sort of like the fact that British American Colonists were called Americans long before the Delcaration of Independence.

As further and final clarification, I referred to Queen Victoria as "German" not to indicate that she was not a British Queen, but that her blood and heritage were strongly German. Not unlike most typical Americans. For example, I am an American Citizen, and Alabaman by birth, of Scots, English, Welsh, Creek, and Cherokee bloodlines. So Queen Victoria was a British Queen, and Empress of India, English by birth, and of German bloodlines.

Clear enough?