Thanks to the mods and the sane people here :)

[LordDamax]

I don't agree with that rule actually. Ok, no badmouthing and ranting about it, I can see that, but if you cannot say negative things about your experiences elsewhere, how can you warn others of the possible problems they may face there? A LOT of people have left the UK list because of stuff like this... may save others heardache to read this thread and not bother to join because of it.

I know it's making a leap, but if theres no 'saying somehting not nice' then technically you shouldn't post bad reviews of kilt/kiltmakers. Like I said, I know it's a leap, but if you can leave a bad review of crappyripoffkilts.com why not a mailing list?

Thats all I'm sayin.

[arrogcow]

I wasn't going to post,but this thread keeps rearing its head, so here goes.

I have been on the UK group for over 4 years, and have found (for the most pary) that it has a great sense of community. We are all a bunch of guys with differing backgrounds/ideals/beliefs all brought together by our common interest in utilikilts. A lot of good discussion goes on there: right now topics include motorcycle riding in a kilt, dyeing a UK, and what fabric not currently offered would you like to see. But with that also come the fact that (most) regular kilt wearers are not sheeple, but rather strong minded individuals.

In the last year or so, the UK list has attracted a few (one in particular) troll, that is guilty of the opinion that if you don't agree with me you are *&%^@* wrong. In the last three months or so, this has lead a couple of new members to become mini trolls as well. The one is on permanent moderation (all his posts are monitered), and others occasionally (me included shamefacedly) have gone on temporary moderation when we get a little too carried away. But the list owners don't restrict (too much) what is discussed because most people there like a forum where ideas can be debated.

There was receintly a post here talking about this place being overmoderated (a few topics got deleted that weren't offending anyone, and they were in teh off topic area to begin with). As was mentioned in that post, there is really only so much one can say about kilts. If you actually look through the archives here, some topics come back every two or three months as new people join the list. However for those who have been here a while, it is all old news, but we still want to talk about things with our kilted brothers. That is the point of the UK list. That is why posts there that are not about kilts are supposed to be marked OT, so that people who want to can participate, and those that don't can just ignore them.

Yes the UK list would be a little better if the name calling would stop (again it is a small minority of the list that does that), but it is still one big disfunctional family.

Finally, where did you see posted that if you wear anything other than a UK you're an idiot. Amerikilts, RKilts,PK's, and Stillwaters have all been talked about favorably there, and most other casual kilt makers have at least been mentioned, and I've never seen a negative post about any of them.

Adam (one of the many many guys that post both here and on the UK list)

[Shay]

I don't agree with that rule actually. Ok, no badmouthing and ranting about it, I can see that, but if you cannot say negative things about your experiences elsewhere, how can you warn others of the possible problems they may face there? A LOT of people have left the UK list because of stuff like this... may save others heardache to read this thread and not bother to join because of it.

I know it's making a leap, but if theres no 'saying somehting not nice' then technically you shouldn't post bad reviews of kilt/kiltmakers. Like I said, I know it's a leap, but if you can leave a bad review of crappyripoffkilts.com why not a mailing list?

Thats all I'm sayin.

I can't actually make rules, it was just a suggestion. Feel free to disregard it if you wish.