Ah Kid,

The Rose and the Orchid again...they're both great.

I have two workman's - black and caramel, and two survival IIs - tan and sage.

They are great kilts for mucking around in the boonies or for wearing to the office.

I too like the "hang" of the survival better, there's more swing, though a far cry from the swing of a tartan kilt.

Its comforting to me to have the deep, safe, pockets on the survival as an alternative to the cargo pockets. Only problem this old bird has is that they're sooooo deep I sometimes go looking for my keys and don't check my pockets deep enough and keep looking elsewhere when the keys are, in fact, in the pocket I just checked.

After getting used to the survival pockets when I switch to the workman's it seems nearly pocketless.

To me, the workman's has a more youthful look with all the metal. Only downside to the workman's is the modesty snaps can give you a chilly surprise on a cold day.

The survival presents as nearly a mocker when the cargo pockets are removed. I often wear my survivals like that to the office.

Initially, I was dissappointed that my basil survival II didn't have the pocket loops on it. I came to like that better and have now taken the pocket loops off my tan survival II so that it looks better when I wear it to the office without the cargo pockets. Realized I never used the loops for anything anyway.

The thicker, stiffer workman's fabric sort of sticks out at a bit of an angle more than it hangs. And I wear mine a lot, did the six washings in unscented Downy, and wash them after nearly every wearing.

I'll chose the survival over the workman's for a long drive just for the comfort of a softer fabric while seated.

For some reason the little clip dealie is on the left side on both. I'm right handed and am so challenged that the only way I can hook anything to it is before I put the kilt on.

Both models (at least of the four kilts I have) have the "drill hole problem" that's been well covered on other threads. If you know they're gonna be there its easier to accept.

It was my choice to stay away from the survival when it was in the initial fabric. Now that the fabric is fixed I'm very happy with it.

My hope is for more colors in the Survival II. A camo would have been perfect.

And, I still have a chocolate workman's near the top of my wish list.

Its all good. Get a bunch of both.

Ron