Kilt, Skirt, MUG, etc.

[KiltedCodeWarrior]

Tiran,

Thanks for the follow-up. I am surprised that there is not more information between the word and the connection to homosexuals, and the reasoning behind it considering how recently it was popular. Of course, then again I am always that fag has the same connotation here in the states and in the UK is a cigarette, which makes sense because a ****** historically referred to a bundle of wood, usually burning. It still tickles me to here somebody from the UK ask somebody else for a fag!

[Shay]

Alright, for those interested in the etymology of the word and why it is hurtful, there is a progression shown here. However, I ask that you keep in mind our community is not all straight, and even knowing that certain words mean something else in a different context... doesn't make them totally free of any taint.

Frankly, I'm surprised the language filter doesn't pick that up.

[Kid Cossack]

Gents:

No offense to the purists out there----but I don't limit my understanding of "kilt" to "8 yards of sixteen ounce tartan wool with knife pleats and three leather straps and buckles." That's certainly what a kilt was (recently enough), but few things remain static over the centuries. A good deer rifle in the 1790s was a flintlock single shot .40 caliber Pennsylvania rifle, and a good deer rifle today is a Winchester .30-30 (or whatever). Very different on the face of things, but they do the same thing and they're constructed along the same principles. I've got a 1995 Honda Civic del Sol that differs radically from a Ford Model T. Is it not a car? Or even, an automobile? I live on the Gulf Coast where we get 90/90 days regularly (heat/humidity). A pure-dee full-on traditional simply wouldn't be as good a choice for daily wear.

For me, the full on rig is more of a costume than clothing.

The thread seems to have adopted a side theme as well---about what the trousered think about it, and how to react to it. Hey, I'll tell people it's a kilt---I'll proselytize and propagandize, but really I don't much care what other people think. I like being kilted, and other people mostly seem to like it, and if some idjit wants to call it a skirt well, that's pretty much his glaring deficiencies showing themselves to the world and everyone.

Best,

[Archangel]

Alright, for those interested in the etymology of the word and why it is hurtful, there is a progression shown here. However, I ask that you keep in mind our community is not all straight, and even knowing that certain words mean something else in a different context... doesn't make them totally free of any taint.

Frankly, I'm surprised the language filter doesn't pick that up.

FWIW, I don't think Shay has to be feeling bad about Kilt_nave's reaction. Something else is going on that we may never know. How sad. He clearly has some pain here and this forum has usually been suprisingly open and sensitive. It would be better for him to stay.

Shay, the thread had clearly detoured to this subject. In context, and order, it is reasonably clear that it was now referring to the definition of this word, and not skirt. Kilt_nave was part of that discussion. You gave appropriate warning and expressed appropriate sensitivity.

[Freelander Sporrano]

Ok Lads!

don't let this get all bent out of shape. If you can't all get back on track

then Please find something else to talk about.

I asked nicely

[KiltedCodeWarrior]

Ok Lads!

don't let this get all bent out of shape. If you can't all get back on track

then Please find something else to talk about.

I asked nicely

David, I think it is a non-issue, if kilt_nave has decided to leave the forum, and a non-issue even if he does not. I will admit that I did not prevoiously follow Shay's link, expecting to see a historical reference to the word ****** and its etymology. I just followed it and read what I would have expected, although I have been following this thread since the beginning. I don't know how that factual description of the history of the word and its connotations or denotations could be offensive to anyone of any age.

So back on (a!) topic, I had a good experience while shopping in the mall with my family yesterday. A lady clerk in a store saw me in my kilt and walked straight over and said "Your wearing a kilt, that's great!", we chatted a bit and she asked if I had worn one to our wedding (which most know is impossible since I have been married for >17 years and only kilted for like 17 days!). Anyway, as we were finishing the conversation, she said "I think its great to see a man wearing a skirt". Said in a nice tone with no sly undertones or anything and did not bother me a bit.

[James]

Two little stories:-

First the lady herself served me faggots for dinner the other evening-a traditional British dish.

Second an excited Italian was over the moon and genuine in his admiration of my kilt, though he called it a skirt. I was not going to offend him or risk giving offence by correcting him-rather I was delighted to receive such a positive reaction from someone for whom the kilt was obviously new and strange.

Put the two together, and in my opinion it is too easy to find offence-look for it even.

Better to smile and march on.

James

[Freelander Sporrano]

Were they Brains Faggots I loved thoose my Nan always served them with mushy peas and gravy .
Thanks for that childhood memory James