New in every single way

[VeganMcKilt]

Now, as for PV kilts... Those technically do not have animals in them, however, the process of making PV creates so much pollution and toxins that thousands of animals die from the poisons generated. Same with pleather or imitation leather sporrans. All those petrochemical based alternatives do more harm than the killing of a single animal. So really not much of an alternative. Refusing to wear a wool kilt because an animal or two died, but turning a blind eye while wearing the alternatives is just as bad as killing, at least in my book, because so much more death is involved in the alternatives.

I am not a vegan, but I am a vegetarian. And we have talked about this before on X-Marks.

Glad to see you here.

Yeah but then you are talking about one wool kilt. If some one were to make one PV kilt or one sporran than the same thing could be said, only an animal or two died. I can't say I am argueing for it, and I can't see hemp kilts in tartan colour showing up anytime soon (or cotton strangely enough?!). But duely noted.

Also thanks everyone for all your help.

[Archangel]

I'm getting a little confused here. No sheep die for us to get wool. They're sheared in a relatively calm process that is actually beneficial to them. I've witnessed it. The wool stays fairly natural, which is why it stinks so much when it gets wet.

I used to work with a guy that kept goats. They're not sheared but he took the hairs off the fence everday and would weave that material.

It's not for me to draw lines on how we live with nature but those methods work very well for me.

[Shay]

I'm getting a little confused here. No sheep die for us to get wool. They're sheared in a relatively calm process that is actually beneficial to them. I've witnessed it. The wool stays fairly natural, which is why it stinks so much when it gets wet.

I used to work with a guy that kept goats. They're not sheared but he took the hairs off the fence everday and would weave that material.

It's not for me to draw lines on how we live with nature but those methods work very well for me.

Vegans do not use any animal products, even non-hurty ones like honey, wool, or milk. Hope that clears it up a bit.

[Archangel]

Vegans do not use any animal products, even non-hurty ones like honey, wool, or milk. Hope that clears it up a bit.

Okay, that would be an answer. I guess if I want to say something about the futility of the absolute of that statement I should go somewhere else. Sometimes I can be diplomatic.

(Shay, I also recognize you're the messenger of this statement, not the author.)

[VeganMcKilt]

Hey as wonderful as your debating is coming along I was just kind of looking for a "hello" and "there are alternatives" if you know of some. Shay, Archangel there is reasons for not using honey, milk or wool but I would sooner be pm'd with a question. Like I said I am just looking for some help with alternatives insted of contemplating what is moral. I say this all with the best of intentions

Thanks

[Bil]

Vegan McKilit, right on and THANK YOU for brining us back on topic. I'm not Vegan nor Vegitarian and don't rightly care why anyone chooses to be one, that's not what this thread was intended for. So I'll say it again, much the same way I do on many other threads:

Welcome! Sit back, relax and make yourself at home, just don't put your feet on the furniture.

[David White]

Vegan McKilit, right on and THANK YOU for brining us back on topic. I'm not Vegan nor Vegitarian and don't rightly care why anyone chooses to be one, that's not what this thread was intended for. So I'll say it again, much the same way I do on many other threads:

Welcome! Sit back, relax and make yourself at home, just don't put your feet on the furniture.

Amen Brother!
I'm not a Vegan or Vegitarian either. However how can we get VeganMcKilt
in a kilt? It can be done. Welcome.

dave

[Archangel]

Hey as wonderful as your debating is coming along I was just kind of looking for a "hello" and "there are alternatives" if you know of some. Shay, Archangel there is reasons for not using honey, milk or wool but I would sooner be pm'd with a question. Like I said I am just looking for some help with alternatives insted of contemplating what is moral. I say this all with the best of intentions

Thanks

You're right, none of my business, I should have done the welcome first, the other thing kinda threw me.

[Eujeankilt]

Did you say hemp kilt?

Look here http://www.the-hilt.com/the_hilt.html

I don't own one, I just found the link.


Dale

[Freelander Sporrano]

Try to keep this about kilts what they do to sheep can be taken to other sites.

I'll now say please ...PLEASE