PC Kilts

[Scotus]

Thank you Iolaus. Yes, that's what I meant by PC. I seems often that it's okay to talk about the evolution of the kilt in regard to modern kilts on this forum, but people who disagree; for example, do not consider Utilikilts as kits, are criticized and called names. In other words, there is a "party line" that says, "You must accept these modern version of kilts as kilts or you have no place in this forum; moreover, you're a moron." That's all I meant by "political correctness" in regard to kilts.

People who know me, know that I am really a mild-mannered, good natured, traditionalist priest in the Midwest; not a bad guy at all. I don't like fights, unless you want to argue against the Latin Mass.

Again, Iolaus, I really thank you for your post. You have understood more than anyone in this thread. Thanks.

[binx]

I know what Fr. Archer means about the Utilikilt, and I see his point. I'm sure he'll correct me if I am misrepresnting his position, but as the Utilikilt was invented independantly of the Scottish tradition, for completely different purposes, it really only resembles a kilt in the fact that it is an unbifurcated garment worn by men. So why call it a kilt? Why not come up with some other kind of name? I can understand why this would seem to many to be an unjustified usurption of part of Highland tradition.

Some wear the kilt every day because they like wearing that style of clothing. Most people wear the kilt precisely because it is a heritage garment, and they wear it to reflect their heritage. (And then you have those who wear it every day as a heritage garment). :-) Obviously these people will have differing opinions as to what makes a good kilt.

Aye,
Matt

I wear Utilikilts, Amerikilts, Sportkilts, and Bear kilts to work, to shop, to play lead guitar, and to church. Everyone I know relates them to my heritage, calls them kilts, and so that is what they are. I have even had a manager comment that he looks forward to the next kilt that I've yet to wear to work. I'll be wearing a suede, a corduroy, and a traditional tartan wool kilt as the weather becomes cooler. I ran into the "tartan police" at the Scottish games last Friday, only to remark that my plaid was on the wrong shoulder. I promptly replied that I am left-handed, so that's what is practical to me, as well as wearing the 'dhu in my left kilt hose. That was accepted.

binx

[bubba]

In other words, there is a "party line" that says, "You must accept these modern version of kilts as kilts or you have no place in this forum; moreover, you're a moron." That's all I meant by "political correctness" in regard to kilts.

I wouldn't think of demanding you conform your opinion to mine and I do respect your position, please don't misunderstand. That's another aspect of the whole debate, there's room for a multitude of opinions and this kind of minor disagreement simply shouldn't be allowed to create problems. Everyones tastes are different.

[Shay]

In other words, there is a "party line" that says, "You must accept these modern version of kilts as kilts or you have no place in this forum; moreover, you're a moron." That's all I meant by "political correctness" in regard to kilts.

I think (and correct me if I'm wrong) they were calling another kiltmaker a moron because that kiltmaker was flatly stating that anything besides 8 yd tartan was not a 'real kilt.' Which he, of course, sold.

Just wanted to make a note of that- I'm not sure where the line is, but is that rudeness about their opinion, or their method of delivery, or their unacceptance of any kilt besides their own as 'real'?

[bear]

Political correctness is social pressure using guilt to censor people into a certain public behaviour.

What we see on this board is not political correctness. It is closer to inflexibility. We know we are not going to get converts to our side of the argument, (traditional kilts vs modern kilts), but we refuse to stop arguing the point.
Now and then someone blows off steam but it changes nothing. We will still wear the kilts we prefer to wear.
The industry will completely change, stay traditional, or something between, no matter what we each believe.

[Archangel]

Political correctness is social pressure using guilt to censor people into a certain public behaviour.

I would disagree, as noted in my earlier posts, but I still intend to buy my socks from you.

[Shay]

Political correctness is social pressure using guilt to censor people into a certain public behaviour.

Technically, so are manners.

[Archangel]

Technically, so are manners.

I always figured that manners evolved from shell-shocked warriors having to co-exist and not taking out an eye when somebody twitched the wrong way. It's more a mutually assured destruction thing than guilt. (Ha, you don't have socks to sell.)

[Scotus]

Bear, thank you. I agree with your post. Sometimes people just refuse to stop arguing a point and it spills over into name calling. I should not be so sensitive. I'm glad I posted this thread topic. You don't know how much I appreciate the understanding posts in this thread. You see, Archangel, these types of threads don't always end badly.

By the way, go White Sox!

[bear]

Bear, thank you. I agree with your post. Sometimes people just refuse to stop arguing a point and it spills over into name calling. I should not be so sensitive. I'm glad I posted this thread topic. You don't know how much I appreciate the understanding posts in this thread. You see, Archangel, these types of threads don't always end badly.

By the way, go White Sox!

My pleasure, Scotus.
What I dislike so intensely about political correctness is that it does not seek to change viewpoints as much as hide them. It doesn't say, "think this way." It says, "pretend you think this way so nobody gets offended."
The politically correct are self righteous guilt peddlers. They claim someone will be offended by any behaviour they don't like. It's just another method others use to control you and get you to act the way THEY think you should act.