Scottish Scout Troop Visits U.S.

[Sherry]

Milford Scouts host troop from Scotland
By Patricia A. Russell / Daily News Correspondent
Friday, October 14, 2005

MILFORD -- Boy Scouts welcomed their compatriots from Scotland with Hands Across the Sea last night, a celebration of what has become an informal relationship between Milford's Troop 2 Boy Scouts of America and the 3rd Inverness (Crown) Scout Group.
It started in 2000 when Scotland troop leader Stephen Maddison did a Web search of East Coast American Boy Scout troops.
"I wanted the Scouts to know that there are other Scouts outside the U.K. and this gives them a better awareness of global Scouting," he said.
After looking at Milford's Web site, he liked what he saw and contacted Ralph Ferraro, who was the leader of the local troop at the time. He suggested to Ferraro that the two troops "link up, swap badges and e-mail each other."
Eventually, the troops decided to meet and it was arranged that the Scotland troop would come to Milford in October 2001. Those plans were cancelled because of the terror attacks of events of Sept. 11, 2001.
Maddison then invited Troop 2 to Scotland in 2003. The local troop accepted the invitation and stayed in the homes of the Scottish troop members.
"Hospitality is an important part of this international Scouting," said Maddison, who said he wanted the Scouts to get a taste of what it is like to live in another Scout's home. "Living with another family is where a lot of learning can really take place."
"We always talk about the brotherhood of Scouting and this (international relationship) reinforces it," said Jack Armata, the current leader of Troop 2.
This year, the Milford troop extended an invitation to the Scottish troop.
Monday, five adult Scottish leaders and 13 Scouts ages 11 to 17 arrived and met their host families. While members of the Milford troop have been in school, the Scottish Scouts visited Mystic, Conn., and Boston and toured Quincy Market, Faneuil Hall and the Prudential Center.
A formal reception held last night included remarks from state Rep. Marie Parente, D-Milford. Parente said she was pleased to see the two Scout troops learning from each other.
"It is important more than ever that we hold our young people to high standards," said Parente, who presented the Scottish troop with a citation from the Massachusetts House of Representatives.
Following the benediction, the Scouts filled their plates and conversation flowed.
While the Scottish troop participates in many of the same programs as American Scouts do, there were some noticeable differences between the troops.
"We always wear kilts at formal occasions," said Henry Allen, adding that at regular meetings, Scouts wear navy blue trousers and green shirts.
Asked if he missed school, Allen explained that he and the other Scouts were "on holiday." School vacations in Scotland differ from those here, he noted.
Another difference: boys and girls are in the troop.
"I think that would probably be an improvement," said Dan Schettler, 16, of Milford, who said he liked the idea of having girls in the troop.
Elena Grant, 14, of Scotland, said she has been a Scout for seven years and said she was having a good time. She's looking forward to the troop's upcoming jaunt to New York City before they head back home and back to school.
While Scouts here become can become Eagle Scouts (Scouting's highest award), Scouts in Scotland earn Queen Scouting Awards, said Fraser Duff, 16, who is in his fifth year of high school (equivalent to the junior year of high school in American schools) at Millburn Academy in Inverness.
Ethan Messenger, 15, of Milford, said the relationship that's developed and grown between the troops gives the Scouts a chance to see each other's cultures.
The troop departs to Scotland on Wednesday.

James Frasier, 14, a 3rd Iverness (Crown) Scout Group member from Scotland, laughs with Milford Troop 2 Scout Dan Scheffer, 16, (not shown) during a dinner banquet yesterday. (John Thornton photo)Herald Interactive http://www.milforddailynews.com/loca...rticleid=79476

Sherry

[An t-Ileach]

Some weeks ago there was some discussion in a thread about kilt-wearing and scouting.

I didn't write it at the time, because I wanted to check if my memory was correct - and it's been a bit difficult to get to that part of London owing to various committments, but there's a statue of B-P outside the Scout HQ in Queen's Gate (South Kensington) and I'm sure he's wearing the kilt. (I still haven't been able to get there to verify - can someone do it for me?).

[Archangel]

Some weeks ago there was some discussion in a thread about kilt-wearing and scouting.

I didn't write it at the time, because I wanted to check if my memory was correct - and it's been a bit difficult to get to that part of London owing to various committments, but there's a statue of B-P outside the Scout HQ in Queen's Gate (South Kensington) and I'm sure he's wearing the kilt. (I still haven't been able to get there to verify - can someone do it for me?).

Google "Baden-Powell statue" in image search will give a couple of pictures, I'd link them but it's hard to tell whether they're shorts or a kilt. Googling "Baden-Powell statue kilt" didn't give any web info either. I'd assume shorts.

[macwilkin]

Here an interesting article that has a couple of pictures of Scouts in kilts:

http://histclo.com/youth/youth/org/s...o/scoutsco.htm

Cheers,

Todd

[Nick]

My brother went to the National Jamboree, when he got home he said there was a Scottish troop there and all were kilted.

[Andrew Breecher]

There weren't any girls in my Boy Scout troop in England! Granted, that was nearly twenty years ago, and I'm sure things may change. At least in England, they have the Girl Guides, just as there are the Girl Scouts in the U.S.. That photo above is interesting - it mentions that normally they wear green shirts (which is what I wore in the English Scouts, and the photo of Scouts in the above article shows two Scottish Scouts in green shirts) but here he's wearing a khaki shirt, which is what the U.S. Scouts wear, along with a non-U.S. neckerchief (it's not red).

Andrew.

[tomcherv]

See - I knew that my Cub Scout Pack meeting would be a good place to wear my kilt. It's coming up soon, too - November 17.

I'd better get to work and finish my alterations. (As soon as I finish my 2 sons halloween costumes.)

[Nick]

It doesn't look like it's got a collar, though, and US uniforms do now. How dark are Scottish uniforms? The monitor might be screwing with the color.

[Andrew Breecher]

I think it has a collar, he's just wearing the necker over it. The green of the British uniforms are the colour of the necker - a forest green. If you click on the link to the other story, you'll see two Scouts in the British green shirts.

Andrew.

[Sherry]

While Cubscouts & Webelos have certain neckerchiefs as a set part of the uniform, US Scouts wear neckerchiefs in various colors. Usually, the troop decides what they want to wear. My oldest son's troop wore navy blue with a silvery-gray overlocked hem & back corner BSA embroidery. At his Eagle ceremony, he recieved one in white trimmed in red, with a 3-color eagle design on the back. The BSA catalog carries several different color neckerchiefs in stock, & custom designs can be ordered, as shown here:



This pic is from http://www.chiefneckerchief.com/

I think it is traditional to wear the neckerchief over the collar, but my son's scoutmaster insisted on them wearing it under the collar.

Sherry