Kilted New Years - DENIED!

[mbhandy]

Posted to the radio station on their website links:


I am a member of a forum: http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=14962 This was just posted. Now the http://www.montanasnightlife.com/ email is getting a response from international members. Ref: see above. I Don't know about your new dept. or station policy but as a Part Time DJ, for 25 years, on www.kpcw.org I know about station policy.

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MrBill



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Kilted New Years - DENIED!
This New Years Eve we decided to go to a country bar called Montana's in San Dimas. When we arrived, the doorman said "I dont know if I can let you in with that"

"With what?" I ask.

"We have a no shorts policy" he says.

Fabulous, were I wearing shorts. Instead I was in a kilt with a very nice sweater, a rather nice looking dress/casual ensemble. Definately better than the jeans and T-shirts that were accepted attire for the club (and women of course had no problems entering when wearing knee length or shorter skirts)

I asked to speak to the manager, who again stated they had a no shorts policy. Again I stated I wasnt in shorts, so what was the problem? He then relied on the "we have the right to refuse service to anyone" refrain, which of course they do. Still, there was no call to refuse me entrance other than their own personal ignorance.
The manager then refused to give me his name or the phone number of the club. Thats fine though, as the number is on their website www.montanasnightlife.com so I'll be calling and emailing with my complaints.

By way of contrast though, when we left and went to a different club for the evening (Cowboy Country in Lakewood) not only was I welcomed, there was already ANOTHER guy inside with a kilt on! Vast bit of difference, and about $100 in drinks and such that the first place missed out on, plus all chance of future visits.

[CameronTaylor]

If you were regimental (as I was down in HB last night) you could've lifted your kilt and showed him you weren't wearing shorts !!!



CT - a tad bit hung over this "in between storms" day.

[mbhandy]

If you were regimental (as I was down in HB last night) you could've lifted your kilt and showed him you weren't wearing shorts !!!



CT - a tad bit hung over this "in between storms" day.

LOL

MrBill

[Magnus Sporrano]

My wife used to be a bartender in a somewhat rowdy country/western bar in Durham, NC. I used to go there and hang out at her bar to make sure the customers didn't get too pushy with her (the bouncers had their hands full).

While it sucks to be denied entrance, I'm almost certain it was to avoid a bar brawl. If you go in wearing something that they feel is likely to incite the regulars into a fight, they simply won't let you in. Sucks for you, but it makes sense.

No big deal. You found a better place to celebrate, anyway.

[GlassMan]

Seems to me that if the bar has that much trouble keeping it's patrons under control then they should have more security on staff.

There are many clubs in the DC area that seem to constantly have fights breaking out inside, many leading to fatalities. The response by the City has been quite proper. They need to either increase security, stop serving alcohol, or close down.

The fact that you allow violent, law-breaking miscreants into a bar is not excuse for denying entrance to a law-abiding and honorable kilt-wearer.

Imagine the uproar if the doorman had refused entrance to someone wearing a minority ethnic outfit because they wanted to avoid a fight inside!

[Riverkilt]

Um....think this sad incident happened in the United States of America....a free country (well, sorta...) with no known clothing regulations, laws, that I know of.

I disagree with the posts about denying admission to prevent a fight.

Any such establishment that found one type of patron hassling another type of patron would eject, evict, 86, the aggressive intolerant patron NOT the one victimized by drunken pea brained intolerant customers.

Booze dealers have such silly problems to deal with.

Not offending a cluster of drunks is just not justification for denying patronage to a potential customer because he's kilted....at least not in the U.S. of A.

Particularly at an IMITATION country western bar.

Ron
Who 30+ years ago used to drink at a REAL cowboy bar in Dulzura, CA...that's probably long gone in a tidal wave of red tile roofed suburban little boxes of ticky tacky by now...

[Yaish]

You guys are great. I havent sent my own email yet, simply because I wanted to be sure I did so in the light of a new day and a clear head.

Mine will be on its way immediately however. As a security professional myself (I am the Security Director for a large hospital) I understand not wanting to allow patrons in who could incite a fight. If I was wearing some of the T-shirts I saw other people in the bar wearing, that certainly would have been appropriate (they allowed shirts with profanity and insulting sayings printed on them just fine). The kilt certainly doesnt fit that profile. If once inside I caused a problem, kick me out. No problems there at all. Again, this wasnt the case.

As was said though, I went elsewhere and had a great time, met a new kilted friend who does live steel unchoreographed fighting and who invited me to come to his group. The other club even let him wear his Skean Dubh, and can you believe he didnt use it to stab anybody? Amazing, with us kilt wearers being such a rowdy subversive lot...

[GMan]

Have to formulate my thoughts before something from me gets sent. However I feel that I would not go back and end up patronizing a place that accepts my "shorts" and let them know why.

[JayFilomena]

While it sucks to be denied entrance, I'm almost certain it was to avoid a bar brawl. If you go in wearing something that they feel is likely to incite the regulars into a fight, they simply won't let you in. Sucks for you, but it makes sense.

I have to agree with the few guys that say it might have been a good thing. I guarantee..that if some drunk twit looked under my kilt to "see if it were true" i would pop him in the head. While I personally have never been shown that kind of bias, The bartenders, bouncers and managers know who is inside and can spot trouble a mile a way, even if your not the one to start it. But now you know where the trouble makers hang out, and where they dont. Glad you had a happy new year eventually.

[Phil Wright]

another mail sent this evening. Racism of any kind really winds me up!
Phil