Scots-Irish

[Jerry]

My family immigrated in the late 1920s, and like I said earlier, The Irish American Society reps at the richmond Highland Games told me that they were really Scots. Although, with the passing of my uncle in 2002, I lost all contact with anyone, I believe I still have relatives in Northern Ireland, both McNeills and Farrels. So, Matt, if I understand you correctly, they are "Ulster Scots"?

[macwilkin]

My family immigrated in the late 1920s, and like I said earlier, The Irish American Society reps at the richmond Highland Games told me that they were really Scots. Although, with the passing of my uncle in 2002, I lost all contact with anyone, I believe I still have relatives in Northern Ireland, both McNeills and Farrels. So, Matt, if I understand you correctly, they are "Ulster Scots"?

Ulster Scots/Scots-Irish.

T.

[Bob C]

Let's not forget that there are true Irish in Ulster, as well. Farrells and McNeills could well have been on that land well before my ancestors got booted out of Scotland and were given Irish land.

[djweso]

don't mind me. I'm just sitting over here being educated.

This is some great information. Thanks.

[davedove]

My father's mother was a McKean, a very Scottish name, but it was always said in the family that it was Irish. Well, after some research, I found they did come from Ireland, specifically the Ulster region. And the McKeans in my line came into America through Philadelphia. Then as the generations passed, they moved first to Ohio, then on to Illinois. Then my service with the Army brought me back to Maryland (full circle).

So, if like me, you find a branch of your family came from Ireland, look a little deeper. You may find they were from the Ulster region, and are thus really of Scottish blood.

[macwilkin]

Let's not forget that there are true Irish in Ulster, as well. Farrells and McNeills could well have been on that land well before my ancestors got booted out of Scotland and were given Irish land.

Very true Bob. We have forgotten to mention the Galloglass, the Highland mercenaries from the Western Isles that fought for the "native" Irish in Ulster, as well as some Borderer horsemen that were brought over.

And, I should point out that not all of the Scots-Irish were actually Scots. A number of different groups fall under that banner -- English, Welsh, Danes, Dutch, German Palantines and French Huguenots -- Many were brought to Ireland by the English crown in efforts to pacify the Irish, and/or escaping religious persecution (the Hugneots, for example) in France or the German states. The most famous example is Davy Crockett -- Crockett is originally a Huguenot name.

The Danes and the Dutch were brought as soldiers in William's army and fought at the Battle of the Boyne in 1690, and some of the English and Welsh were Parlimentary soldiers in the English Civil War given land grants.

Why are the lumped under the banner of the Scots -- religion, specifically Protestantism.

Not to mention all of the Anglo-Normans (Fitzgeralds, Fitzwiliams, Fitzmaurice, etc.) that assimilated with the Irish! - but that's another story!

Cheers,

Todd

[davedove]

Very true Bob. We have forgotten to mention the Galloglass, the Highland mercenaries from the Western Isles that fought for the "native" Irish in Ulster, as well as some Borderer horsemen that were brought over.

And, I should point out that not all of the Scots-Irish were actually Scots. A number of different groups fall under that banner -- English, Welsh, Danes, Dutch, German Palantines and French Huguenots -- Many were brought to Ireland by the English crown in efforts to pacify the Irish, and/or escaping religious persecution (the Hugneots, for example) in France or the German states. The most famous example is Davy Crockett -- Crockett is originally a Huguenot name.

The Danes and the Dutch were brought as soldiers in William's army and fought at the Battle of the Boyne in 1690.

Not to mention all of the Anglo-Normans (Fitzgeralds, Fitzwiliams, Fitzmaurice, etc.) that assimilated with the Irish!

Cheers,

Todd

And to think many Americans think the US is the original "melting pot".

[millar]

that assimilated with the Irish!

I've heard relations between the sexes called a lot of things but this is a new one ;-)

[macwilkin]

I've heard relations between the sexes called a lot of things but this is a new one ;-)

The Anglo-Normans assimilated with the Irish through culture and identity, although I'm sure there was some other forms that you mentioned as well! ;)

T.

[mudd]

I don’t think anyone has mentioned this yet, but I believe that the Scots were originally an Irish tribe that pushed into Pictish lands after the Romans moved out of Britain.

And, while I’m at it, weren’t the Bruce’s and Stuarts actually Normans?