Scots-Irish

[macwilkin]

Let's not forget that there are true Irish in Ulster, as well. Farrells and McNeills could well have been on that land well before my ancestors got booted out of Scotland and were given Irish land.

Very true Bob. We have forgotten to mention the Galloglass, the Highland mercenaries from the Western Isles that fought for the "native" Irish in Ulster, as well as some Borderer horsemen that were brought over.

And, I should point out that not all of the Scots-Irish were actually Scots. A number of different groups fall under that banner -- English, Welsh, Danes, Dutch, German Palantines and French Huguenots -- Many were brought to Ireland by the English crown in efforts to pacify the Irish, and/or escaping religious persecution (the Hugneots, for example) in France or the German states. The most famous example is Davy Crockett -- Crockett is originally a Huguenot name.

The Danes and the Dutch were brought as soldiers in William's army and fought at the Battle of the Boyne in 1690, and some of the English and Welsh were Parlimentary soldiers in the English Civil War given land grants.

Why are the lumped under the banner of the Scots -- religion, specifically Protestantism.

Not to mention all of the Anglo-Normans (Fitzgeralds, Fitzwiliams, Fitzmaurice, etc.) that assimilated with the Irish! - but that's another story!

Cheers,

Todd

[davedove]

Very true Bob. We have forgotten to mention the Galloglass, the Highland mercenaries from the Western Isles that fought for the "native" Irish in Ulster, as well as some Borderer horsemen that were brought over.

And, I should point out that not all of the Scots-Irish were actually Scots. A number of different groups fall under that banner -- English, Welsh, Danes, Dutch, German Palantines and French Huguenots -- Many were brought to Ireland by the English crown in efforts to pacify the Irish, and/or escaping religious persecution (the Hugneots, for example) in France or the German states. The most famous example is Davy Crockett -- Crockett is originally a Huguenot name.

The Danes and the Dutch were brought as soldiers in William's army and fought at the Battle of the Boyne in 1690.

Not to mention all of the Anglo-Normans (Fitzgeralds, Fitzwiliams, Fitzmaurice, etc.) that assimilated with the Irish!

Cheers,

Todd

And to think many Americans think the US is the original "melting pot".

[millar]

that assimilated with the Irish!

I've heard relations between the sexes called a lot of things but this is a new one ;-)

[macwilkin]

I've heard relations between the sexes called a lot of things but this is a new one ;-)

The Anglo-Normans assimilated with the Irish through culture and identity, although I'm sure there was some other forms that you mentioned as well! ;)

T.

[mudd]

I don’t think anyone has mentioned this yet, but I believe that the Scots were originally an Irish tribe that pushed into Pictish lands after the Romans moved out of Britain.

And, while I’m at it, weren’t the Bruce’s and Stuarts actually Normans?

[macwilkin]

I don’t think anyone has mentioned this yet, but I believe that the Scots were originally an Irish tribe that pushed into Pictish lands after the Romans moved out of Britain.

And, while I’m at it, weren’t the Bruce’s and Stuarts actually Normans?

http://www.clanhay.net/HISTORY/Normandy_Roots.php

Here's a good article about the Norman roots of many Scottish clans.

Cheers,

Todd

[Schultz]

My Scots-Irish ancestors were supposedly Hugenots. We're definitely sure the Gastons are French Hugenots who stopped in Scotland for a two generations before moving on to Ulster.

The Rossborughs, however, may or may not be Hugenot.

Regardless, my Scots-Irish roots are definitely French in origin, a little fact I like to confuse people with.

Genealogy is so neat.

[highlander_Daz]

Mc and Mac are both Scots prefixes, there is a myth that one is Scots and one is Irish -Nope Both are Scots it simply depended on how the registrar spells it

[macwilkin]

Mc and Mac are both Scots prefixes, there is a myth that one is Scots and one is Irish -Nope Both are Scots it simply depended on how the registrar spells it

Sometimes you will even see M'Donald, M'kenzie, etc. Another abbreviation variant! ;)

Cheers,

Todd

[Moosehead]

Mc and Mac are both Scots prefixes, there is a myth that one is Scots and one is Irish -Nope Both are Scots it simply depended on how the registrar spells it

Not quite so...both exist in "real" Irish surnames as well. As you know, it simply means "son of", whereas O' is "grandson of".