5 People You Meet in Heaven

[Ugly Bear]

My only real thought about it may be that calling people out or bashing the "sometimes- wear" people may actually put them off from becoming a more regular kilt wearer.

No, not "bashing" at all! Just nudging. Look, I'll start with cajunscot:

I do not wear my kilt 365 days of the year, and never plan on it. My kilt is important to me as a symbol of my heritage and family, and I don't want to see it become "just another garment" because of the meaning behind it for me.

You're right; the kilt is NOT "just another garment," and it won't ever be. You know from experience that it is special. But you also know from experience that it has a number of practical advantages over trousers, and those practical advantages shouldn't be limited to a few special occasions throughout the year.

How about a contemporary kilt, without tartan? That would give you the advantages of going unbifurcated, and wouldn't degrade your heritage.

I'm not saying you should go kilted 365 days a year (I don't); my hope is that people like you would at least have the option of choosing any of those 365 days to go kilted.

What if they (occasional wearers) don't want to be more than "occasional wearers"? That is there choice, and it should be respected. Not saying that you don't, but respect is a two-way street.

As a traditionalist, I respect all points-of-view and all forms of kilt-wearing. I hold myself and myself only responsible for "dressing traditionally". All I ask is the same in return.

Respectfully, then, I'll stop my pitch here.

There; that's the best pitch I can think of to persuade that 90% I mentioned earlier. I could have gone on (and on, and on) on the topic, but you really have to rein it in when you're trying to persuade.

[macwilkin]

No, not "bashing" at all! Just nudging. Look, I'll start with cajunscot:

You're right; the kilt is NOT "just another garment," and it won't ever be. You know from experience that it is special. But you also know from experience that it has a number of practical advantages over trousers, and those practical advantages shouldn't be limited to a few special occasions throughout the year.

How about a contemporary kilt, without tartan? That would give you the advantages of going unbifurcated, and wouldn't degrade your heritage.

I'm not saying you should go kilted 365 days a year (I don't); my hope is that people like you would at least have the option of choosing any of those 365 days to go kilted.

Respectfully, then, I'll stop my pitch here.

There; that's the best pitch I can think of to persuade that 90% I mentioned earlier. I could have gone on (and on, and on) on the topic, but you really have to rein it in when you're trying to persuade.

UB: But I would argue that I already have that option with a traditional kilt. A traditional is versitile enough to be worn formally, as part of "business/day" attire, or even "casual" for games or other outdoor events. I have the option; I just choose not to use it.

To be quite honest, I'm not big on this whole unbifurcated thing. I wear a kilt primarily for my heritage, but I also still wear (and like) trousers! If others are into it, that's fine, and I respect their POV.

I'm wearing one of my favourite pair today: some LL Bean olive cord trousers which are some of the most comfortable I have ever owned. I'm hoping to purchase a pair of traditional trews soon as an alternative to my kilt at formal functions.

I'm not much of a "contemporary kilt" person either. The concept just doesn't appeal to me. That doesn't mean that I'm not impressed by the quality of workanship of a good contemporary, such as the Freedom Kilts, or the casuals of USA kilts -- on the contrary. I'm just a "bluff old traditionalist" when it comes to my kilts. My next kilt will be one of Matt's, since I like the idea of the historical box-pleated kilt, again, as a nice alternative to the 8 yard traditional.

You do express your opinion very well, though.

Cheers,

Todd

[bubba]

I'm wearing one of my favourite pair today: some LL Bean olive cord trousers which are some of the most comfortable I have ever owned.

CORD???? Good Grief! I won't wear that stuff. I'm STILL haunted by the noise they make while walking when I was a kid. Frightful.

[mddock58]

The sound always reminds me of the sound Bill Cosby made for Noah sawing the logs...........zwooo bahhhhh..........zwoo bahhhhh

[macwilkin]

Make fun all you want, but they are still darn comfortable! :mrgreen:

T.

[UmAnOnion]

CORD???? Good Grief! I won't wear that stuff. I'm STILL haunted by the noise they make while walking when I was a kid. Frightful.

I am with you there Bubba! I wont even look at ANYTHING corduroy for that reason. Plus cords are notorious for picking up lint and being hotter than hell. I have read the high praise the advocates of the new UK cord kilts BUT they still scare me.

Okay, it looks like that went over like a lead balloon. I'm 0 for 800 million here. What am I doing wrong? Can anyone else phrase it better? I've got less than 7 years here to fine-tune the message and get it out to the free world.

Lead by example my good man - that's often the best way. Just keep wearing your kilts at every available opportunity and in ways that show the uneducated that they are viable alternatives to the dreaded trousers and slowly you will win them over. Some folks respond better to a softer sell than others. It also must be said that some wont respond no matter what approach you try - for them, its best to just to let them be and to turn your attentions to others who might be more receptive to your offering/suggestions. Kudos on the quest good sir!

[macwilkin]

Lead by example my good man - that's often the best way. Just keep wearing your kilts at every available opportunity and in ways that show the uneducated that they are viable alternatives to the dreaded trousers and slowly you will win them over. Some folks respond better to a softer sell than others. It also must be said that some wont respond no matter what approach you try - for them, its best to just to let them be and to turn your attentions to others who might be more receptive to your offering/suggestions. Kudos on the quest good sir!

I hope you are not implying that I am "uneducated" because I am not a full-time kilt wearer and a trouser-wearer.

T.

[UmAnOnion]

I hope you are not implying that I am "uneducated" because I am not a full-time kilt wearer and a trouser-wearer.

T.

NO NO NO NO NO!!! NOT BY ANY MEANS MY GOOD MAN!!!

by that i meant the common person who has never seen a kilt other than on a bad piper and/or insists on calling them skirts (had a bit of a 'dialogue' with one of thoise saturday night. all i can say is OY!!!)

Anyone who has spent any time at all on here & has the fortitude to wear a kilt ON ANY OCCASION cannot be called uneducated - at least not by me :-D

I am a fellow part timer & doubt that i coudl ever go full time - there are definately times in my life when trousers are the better choice. maybe not the preferred choice but definately the better!

[Ugly Bear]

To be quite honest, I'm not big on this whole unbifurcated thing. ... I'm not much of a "contemporary kilt" person either. The concept just doesn't appeal to me.

Okay, it looks like that went over like a lead balloon. I'm 0 for 800 million here. What am I doing wrong? Can anyone else phrase it better? I've got less than 7 years here to fine-tune the message and get it out to the free world.

[Angus]

My next kilt will be one of Matt's, since I like the idea of the historical box-pleated kilt, again, as a nice alternative to the 8 yard traditional.

Really, what tartan? Once you recieve one of the 4 yarders you may change your opinion entirely.
With the lighter weight, and the box pleats you really dont need to "worry"(not that you do) about messing the pleats up, ruining the pressing, or having to carry eight yards of wool around with you all day.Very comfy, and very low maintanance(sp?).