5 People You Meet in Heaven

**Ugly Bear** · 14th March 06, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by cajunscot

To be quite honest, I'm not big on this whole unbifurcated thing. ... I'm not much of a "contemporary kilt" person either. The concept just doesn't appeal to me.

Okay, it looks like that went over like a lead balloon. I'm 0 for 800 million here. What am I doing wrong? Can anyone else phrase it better? I've got less than 7 years here to fine-tune the message and get it out to the free world.

**Angus** · 14th March 06, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by cajunscot

My next kilt will be one of Matt's, since I like the idea of the historical box-pleated kilt, again, as a nice alternative to the 8 yard traditional.

Really, what tartan?

Once you recieve one of the 4 yarders you may change your opinion entirely.
With the lighter weight, and the box pleats you really dont need to "worry"(not that you do) about messing the pleats up, ruining the pressing, or having to carry eight yards of wool around with you all day.Very comfy, and very low maintanance(sp?).

**macwilkin** · 14th March 06, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by Angus

Really, what tartan?

Once you recieve one of the 4 yarders you may change your opinion entirely.
With the lighter weight, and the box pleats you really dont need to "worry"(not that you do) about messing the pleats up, ruining the pressing, or having to carry eight yards of wool around with you all day.Very comfy, and very low maintanance(sp?).

My traditional is from Hector Russell. I've never had any of the problems you describe because it is so well-made. The pleats hold very well, even after sitting down. Wool is very durable. The kilt really isn't that hot or heavy, but I'm used to wearing wool in the summer thanks to reenacting! :mrgreen:

My reason for wanting one of Matt's kilt is for it's historical aspects.

The tartan will most likely be the Iowa State Tartan, although the MacWilliam/Williamson tartan is very tempting!

Cheers,

Todd

**macwilkin** · 14th March 06, 09:36 AM

I had an eloquent answer, yesterday, to Colin's original complaint about being picked on, but my computer locked up yesterday and I didn't feel like typing it all again. Essentially, he, and others, wear the equivalent of fine suits, while we wear jeans. We both represent examples of non-costume wear, but you and I advocate casual wear, while they advocate formal wear.

I disagree. A traditional kilt can be worn "casually" as well as "formally". That is why they are so versitile. I wear my traditional "casually" (a la LL Bean and Woolrich) to games and other functions all the time. You can't really compare a traditional to a suit because of that very reason.

T.

**Colin** · 14th March 06, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by cajunscot

I disagree. A traditional kilt can be worn "casually" as well as "formally". That is why they are so versitile. I wear my traditional "casually" (a la LL Bean and Woolrich) to games and other functions all the time. You can't really compare a traditional to a suit because of that very reason.

T.

Sure you can Todd. I used to wear my suit in many different ways.
Shirt, tie, jacket - for very dressy
dress shirt and jacket (no tie) - for a bit more casual
slacks and dress shirt (maybe with a v neck sweater)- even more casual
slacks and a golf shirt - very casual

A suit is versatile for a lot of different occasions, but usually still looks classier than a pair of jeans and a t-shirt. I'm not going to wear a suit gardening, but I likely wouldn't wear a kilt for that either.

**Iolaus** · 14th March 06, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by Ugly Bear

Okay, it looks like that went over like a lead balloon. I'm 0 for 800 million here. What am I doing wrong? Can anyone else phrase it better? I've got less than 7 years here to fine-tune the message and get it out to the free world.

Dude!! One person will not change a culture! All we can really do is lead by example, and hope enough follow to create some waves. It's all about the ripple effect.

I had an eloquent answer, yesterday, to Colin's original complaint about being picked on, but my computer locked up yesterday and I didn't feel like typing it all again. Essentially, he, and others, wear the equivalent of fine suits, while we wear jeans. We both represent examples of non-costume wear, but you and I advocate casual wear, while they advocate formal wear.

And, for the record, I am also an occassional wearer, the kilts are in rotation with the rest of the shorts and slacks in my wardrobe.

**Colin** · 14th March 06, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by Iolaus

I had an eloquent answer, yesterday, to Colin's original complaint about being picked on, but my computer locked up yesterday and I didn't feel like typing it all again. Essentially, he, and others, wear the equivalent of fine suits, while we wear jeans. We both represent examples of non-costume wear, but you and I advocate casual wear, while they advocate formal wear.

And, for the record, I am also an occassional wearer, the kilts are in rotation with the rest of the shorts and slacks in my wardrobe.

Firstly, it was not a complaint about be "picked on" as I had just joined the thread. It was a complaint about lack of mutual respect. Two members of the forum were calling down people that only wore their kilts to weddings. I wanted to point out that not everyone wants a dozen $100 kilts to wear all the time. I am completely middle of the road. I have 2 casuals (just sold the other 2) and one traditional.

I am not advocating formal wear, but ask that people that wear their kilts as formal wear get some respect here too. We have heard stupid *** terms like "weekend wallace" thrown around for the folks that only bring their kilts out a few times a year. I suspect that if those people (usually people with a lot of Scottish heritage) started calling members of this forum with little to no Scottish heritage, that wear the kilt "wannabe wallaces" there would be an uproar. It's about common respect.

As for formal versus casual, I am off to the pub Friday night, and I will be wearing my traditional kilt. You can dress it up and dress it down. I wish I could say the same about the casual models I have.

**Ugly Bear** · 14th March 06, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by UmAnOnion

Lead by example my good man - that's often the best way. Just keep wearing your kilts at every available opportunity and in ways that show the uneducated that they are viable alternatives to the dreaded trousers and slowly you will win them over.

I don't think that's gonna do it. Maybe I'm not approachable or something, but people don't seem all that interested in my "example." Besides, I'm not terribly patient, and winning people over slowly ain't what I'm after.

Come to think of it, I did come up with a T-shirt design for Pittsburgh Kilts that says, "...'cause no one can stop you." That's exactly the anti-trouser message I want to send: "You have a choice, dammit." Now I just have to make people wear the T-shirt.

So that's ONE thing besides just leading by example. What else can I do? Help me out here, I'm on a deadline (1 January 2013).

Originally Posted by Iolaus

Dude!! One person will not change a culture!

Well, not with THAT attitude, he won't. Besides, it's not true! Look at ... uh ... uh ... that South Park episode where Kyle singlehandedly brought down the Communist regime in Cuba.

Even if I can't do it alone, it doesn't hurt to aim high. And maybe I'll influence someone who WILL change the culture. I don't think it would take much effort to get Donald Rumsfeld into a kilt. I don't know why, he just looks like he's ready. Ditto Jon Stewart; I think the Royal Stewart tartan would appeal to his vanity. There's just this pain in their eyes that makes you know they're longing to ditch the trousers.

If that fails, I will re-animate the dead and raise a Kilted Zombie Army of Doom.

...Upon further reflection, I may not pursue that option.

Anyone have anything else to say about "5 People You Meet in Heaven"? We might be slightly off-topic at this point.