sporran help

**Southern Breeze** · 3rd May 06, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by cloves

found lots of crown nuts....but none small enough......anybody got any other ideas??

How small are they? I may be able to find some locally. There's a LOT of industrial supply stores here.

**Kilted KT** · 3rd May 06, 05:17 PM

I took a look at my sporran, which is very similar to yours and found that while the piece is in deed threaded, it isn't a nut that is missing. It appears to me that the screw head itself is has broken off. One of the screws holding the cantle on my sporran has broken as well. The screws that hold the metal cantle are attached through the back of the sporran flap, and screw into the cantle from behind. If you look closely at the front of the cantle, you will see that the area where the screw would logically come through has been ground down.

I am not sure if this type of problem can be fixed without replacing the cantle all together.

I'll post some pics here in a minute..

**Kilted KT** · 3rd May 06, 05:40 PM

ok..here we go..

this is a pic of the cantle on my sporran.

here is a pic of the back of my sporran flap. The black spots are where the cantle attaches to the sporran flap.

**Kilted KT** · 3rd May 06, 05:44 PM

and now for the nuts and bolts...

here is a pic of the screw holding the sporran to the leather. It is threaded like the one you have.

and here is a look into the hole which that hole passes through. The "nut" is still attached to the back of the sporran, and it appears to have actually broken off, and is not a traditional nut.

if you look at the pics of the cantle above, you will notice that the areas ( the five corners) do not have a raised bump like the rest of the edge of the cantle. It appears to me that the screw goes through the back of the sporran flap and screws into the cantle from behind.

In my opinion, the screw head broke off the screw holding your cantle on.

any one else have any ideas?

**Southern Breeze** · 3rd May 06, 06:28 PM

I can see the problem, but I'll have to let someone who has that type of sporran step in with a solution.

**cloves** · 3rd May 06, 07:20 PM

kT,
it's similar but not quite what's wrong with my father's sporran. In my case the cantle has threaded posts that stick through the leather and then each post has a cap nut tightened onto it. I can actually unscrew the nuts from the other posts.....I wish I had a digital cam to show you.
I'm going to have to measure them I think to find the correct size. I'll try looking online...if no luck, I may have to take you up on your offer Southern Breeze.

**Kilted KT** · 3rd May 06, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by cloves

kT,
it's similar but not quite what's wrong with my father's sporran. In my case the cantle has threaded posts that stick through the leather and then each post has a cap nut tightened onto it. I can actually unscrew the nuts from the other posts.....I wish I had a digital cam to show you.
I'm going to have to measure them I think to find the correct size. I'll try looking online...if no luck, I may have to take you up on your offer Southern Breeze.

well, if you have no luck finding a proper nut, there is one other solution.

while not preferred, you can position the cantle as it is supposed to fit, and put a bunch of crazy glue in the hole around the screw. It will bond both to the leather and the metal almost instantly, and you will have a devil of a time getting them apart.

You might also want to try a jeweller. They will have lots of tiny screws that go in watches, and might have one that fits.

**Southern Breeze** · 3rd May 06, 07:32 PM

If you have trouble measuring it take it to a jeweler or machinist. They've got the tools to measure it correctly. They may have a replacement or know were to get one. Keep us informed of your progress and good luck.

**ozmeath** · 3rd May 06, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by cloves

kT,
it's similar but not quite what's wrong with my father's sporran. In my case the cantle has threaded posts that stick through the leather and then each post has a cap nut tightened onto it. I can actually unscrew the nuts from the other posts.....I wish I had a digital cam to show you.
I'm going to have to measure them I think to find the correct size. I'll try looking online...if no luck, I may have to take you up on your offer Southern Breeze.

Cloves, found this site which may have a supplier near to you
http://www.kellysearch.com/ca-product-137.html
you should take in one of the nuts and see if they can give you a replacement. I've often done this doing odd jobs in silversmithing, instrument fixing and the likes.Usually you have to spend a minimum of about $5 so you end up with a bunch of spares.
Boating/fishing supplies may be of help too. There'd plenty of those your way by look of the map.

KT, if the screw head has sheared off as you say you have to (carefully!!) drill it out. Make sure the sporran is clamped down to the bench. Wrap some rag around some wood, put it on the job, then clamp down on it so as you don't mark your sporran.A bench drill is ideal if you can get one. Use a bit that is big enough to remove the bolt but leave the thread. The remaining thread can be scraped out with a sharp tool, sharpened nail etc. For a replacement you could also go to a thread specialist if you could't get it from the good old hardware. Of course if the bolt is too long you can cut it down, file off the burr and Bob's your aunties live-in lover.
Alteratively remove the entire thing and rivet it on with of silver, stteel or copper. Then you may wish to balance it up by doing the opposing one so it looks symmetrical. I'd Probably do the lot so it'll last forever then.
Erin.

**Kilted KT** · 3rd May 06, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by ozmeath

KT, if the screw head has sheared off as you say you have to (carefully!!) drill it out. Make sure the sporran is clamped down to the bench. Wrap some rag around some wood, put it on the job, then clamp down on it so as you don't mark your sporran.A bench drill is ideal if you can get one. Use a bit that is big enough to remove the bolt but leave the thread. The remaining thread can be scraped out with a sharp tool, sharpened nail etc. For a replacement you could also go to a thread specialist if you could't get it from the good old hardware. Of course if the bolt is too long you can cut it down, file off the burr and Bob's your aunties live-in lover.
Alteratively remove the entire thing and rivet it on with of silver, stteel or copper. Then you may wish to balance it up by doing the opposing one so it looks symmetrical. I'd Probably do the lot so it'll last forever then.
Erin.

good idea, and bob's a lucky guy.