Legally kilted

[phinz]

Burleson consulting and their dress code. Scroll down to the section about the family tartan.

more info

[Chris Webb]

Well, I'm a licensced minister in the Great State of Texas, I'm also the founder of the First Church of the Gitite. One of the articles of faith of this religion is that, according to the Old Testament, God made what amounts to a kilt out of animal skin for Adam to wear. Also, the Gitites all wore kilts or skirts as well. I'd be delighted to write a letter attesting to your status as a Gitite and explain the fact that the wearing of a kilted garment is indeed part of what makes a Gitite and Gitite.

If anyone is interested in hering more about the First Church of the Gitite just say so ... it is definitely kilt related, by the way. A Gitite is first and foremost a Freedom Lover.

Kilt On!

Chris Webb

[Chris Webb]

One more thing. If you've ever had so much as a zit on your butt you could always tell them you've got Hydrodenitis Superitiva. Of course this disease is no joke for those who have a severe case of it, but it is also a disease that is exceptionally widespread, has no cure and is treated mostly by HS episode avoidance. One of the main ways to avoid an HS episode is to wear a kilt.

I've got this disease and have had some VERY unpleasant attacks. Since switching full time to kilts I've had not a single episode. My doctor is the one who originally suggested 'expressing my Scottish heritage' and possibly reducing the impact of HS on my life.

Anyway,

Chris Webb

[Retro Red]

Women wear pants, and that is socially acceptable. So why is it that men are looked down on in certain situations, or are made an example out of, because of some IDIOTS insecurities about men in "skirts"?

Patience, my fellow Kilties, just as Rome wasn't built in a day, it will take time to change the corporate & cultural view of men in kilts. Your reference to women wearing pants is an excellent example. When actress Marlene Dietrich began wearing pants regularly in the '30s, it was considered by many of the more conservative elements in America to be scandalous. And Corporate America, ever mindful of avoiding controversy or offending customers is inherently conservative (& bland).

Remember, it wasn't until the '80s & '90s that Corporate America began to allow women to wear pants in the workplace & that was only after women wearing pants had gained wide public acceptance. It took decades & the vast majority of women regularly wearing pants in non-business environments before American businesses would finally view pants as acceptable attire for the business woman. Unfortunately, until it becomes commonplace to see lots of men walking around in kilts, don't expect many businesses to consider kilts to be "acceptable" business attire.

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[Mattg]

Patience, my fellow Kilties, just as Rome wasn't built in a day, it will take time to change the corporate & cultural view of men in kilts. Your reference to women wearing pants is an excellent example. When actress Marlene Dietrich began wearing pants regularly in the '30s, it was considered by many of the more conservative elements in America to be scandalous. And Corporate America, ever mindful of avoiding controversy or offending customers is inherently conservative (& bland).

Remember, it wasn't until the '80s & '90s that Corporate America began to allow women to wear pants in the workplace & that was only after women wearing pants had gained wide public acceptance. It took decades & the vast majority of women regularly wearing pants in non-business environments before American businesses would finally view pants as acceptable attire for the business woman. Unfortunately, until it becomes commonplace to see lots of men walking around in kilts, don't expect many businesses to consider kilts to be "acceptable" business attire.

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It shall come to pass!! We must make it happen!

[SB996]

Wow, well rome was not built in a day and like phinz links show a consultant with the strict dress code as described can and will win in court. While most dress codes mine included simply says professional attire. I will have another meeting soon and will take the xmarkers to battle with me. Thanks

[jjoseph]

Hey highlandcelt, do you feel strongly about this??

Seriously, I would have to disagree with Phinz, I don't think that separate dress codes based on gender would be defensible in court. Dress codes based on safety concerns or other issues, applied equally to both sexes, are certainly understandable. If the dress code says a woman can wear a skirt, I don't see how you could prohibit a man wearing a kilt, or even a skirt if they so choose.

Well, having been a supervisor in a U.S.-based multi-national.... I have to say Phinz had it right. Current practice is that the company, not the employee, not the government, sets the standard for what is or is not acceptable wear; companies can and do distinguish based on gender. The exceptions are "protected groups" meaning groups protected from discrimination by law, which in this case would touch on health and religious issues.

Although some employers will allow kilts, many will not. Could you take it to court and win if you disagree with that? Possibly. It would depend on the circumstances. But unless you are part of a larger people group with the same general concern, you are probably S.O.L.

[davedove]

Well, having been a supervisor in a U.S.-based multi-national.... I have to say Phinz had it right. Current practice is that the company, not the employee, not the government, sets the standard for what is or is not acceptable wear; companies can and do distinguish based on gender. The exceptions are "protected groups" meaning groups protected from discrimination by law, which in this case would touch on health and religious issues.

Although some employers will allow kilts, many will not. Could you take it to court and win if you disagree with that? Possibly. It would depend on the circumstances. But unless you are part of a larger people group with the same general concern, you are probably S.O.L.

He's right here. Unless you're part of a "protected group" the company really isn't going to pay much attention to you. Now if a large segment of the men in the company pressed for the right to wear kilts, the company might take notice and make changes. However, if it's just one or even a few individuals, it's more likely that those individuals will be labeled troublemakers. It's not fair, but it is often true.

[phinz]

FWIW, my boss has never told me I *can't* wear a kilt to work, and the subject has been broached on a couple of occasions. She's seen pictures of me in my kilt and, being of Scottish descent (she's from a sept of McLeod and is well aware of her heritage), does not disapprove, but our higher-ups might, even though the highest up is also of Scots descent.

[phinz]

Come to think of it, both of the highest ups are of Scots descent.