UK: Mocker vs. Original?

**arrogcow** · 2nd July 06, 08:59 PM

Oh, yeah, I almost never iron either. 5 min in a dryer with a damp sock takes care of most wrinkles.

Adam

**Raphael** · 2nd July 06, 09:50 PM

For the last 3 years, I never had the need to iron any of my UKs and I hang dry them.

**Chris Webb** · 3rd July 06, 08:55 AM

I've got both ... the Mocker is the most 'skirt like' kilt I have, though. In fact, about the only negative reactions I've ever had were while wearing a Mocker ... it just looks too much like a skirt, guys, sorry.

Also, the Mocker is much hotter than the Original. The hidden pockets, two in front and two in back, make the Mocker very thick around your hips and thighs. I had to cut the pockets out my Mocker to be able to stand wearing the darned thing. Even if you left the pockets in they are so deep that only a monkey could wear it and get change out of his pocket.

Frankly, if the Mocker wasn't actually made by Utilikilt you wouldn't even be able to talk about it here without violating at least two forum rules:

1. This is a kilt community, not a MUG community. Any thread in the Kilt Forums that is non-kilt related (specifically Men in Skirts or OTHER UN-BIFURBRICATED GARMENTS) is subject to deletion without notice.

2. Posts and/or threads containing topics not related to kilts ... includes but is not limited to threads concerning kilt accessories used as weapons or used to carry weapons, what is worn under the kilt, the "IS THE KILT A SKIRT?" issue ...

Is the Mocker mocking kilts?

Chris Webb

**motorman4life** · 3rd July 06, 03:03 PM

Is the Mocker mocking kilts?

No. The Mocker is a take off on Dockers. It is the closest thing to a cross between a kilt and Dockers. They just couldn't call it a Kocker! In fact, on their site, they say, "The Mocker is our answer to ubiquitous (and, should we add, tight and uncomfortable and wimpy and tremendously lame) Dockers® worn by white collar workers all over the world."

I own 12 kilts. 2 of them are Mockers. They are probably my most favorite and most worn kilts. I have not worn my UK Original once since I came into posession of the 2 Mockers. In fact, I might as well sell it at this point.

Anyone looking for a MINT/like new: khaki tan twill UK Original in 44" waist, long cut (24.5" length) with single BGC (beer gut cut) and privacy snaps? It is an 8.5 oz. cotton twill, nice and cool in the summer. PM me. New, it would be $185 +S&H and 2 month wait). Make offer. Keep in mind, it has been washed only twice, hang-dried, non-smoking home and looks brand-spankin' new, like right off the rack!

Anyhow, I am not posting this to re-start the debate over UK's. I know they have their detractors and proponents. We can all agree to disagree, no matter how we feel about UK's or how the makers of UK's feel about kilts or their place in the kilted community.

The fact is, UK's are clearly an evolution of the modern kilt. Whether you like them or not, they are what they are. They are not mocking the traditional kilt any more than a Pentium PC is mocking a Commodore 64. And, whether you like them or not, I personally believe the UK has played a great role in gaining the widspread acceptance of kilts for everyday wear. I owned a traditional kilt for 5 years before I saw my first UK. I wore it 2 or 3 times a year, more as a costume. It was not until I ordered my first UK that I broke out my tartan kilt and wore it, just to go get coffee at Starbucks on No Pants Day! The truth is, many of us would not be here at Xmarks, if it were not for UK and the impact they have had on kilted fashion for men.

**Hamish** · 3rd July 06, 04:33 PM

I have eleven Utilikilts, six of which are Originals and four are Workman's. The Mocker does not feature in my Kilt Kollection. Quite simply, I think it looks to 'skirty' and, being the butch sort of guy that I am (!), I really do not think it would suit me. I just LOVE the cargo pockets on the Originals and the Workman's models, so there!

As for 'dressier' Utilikilts: it's just my 'umble opinion, but I do not believe any Utilikilt can be dressed up - the fabrics just do not lend themselves to being dressy. Utilikilts are the kilt wearer's blue jeans - can be worn for really tough working conditions or for clean casual wear, but not for anything dressy! And that is why they are so important to us full-time kilt wearers.

Believe me. I am a kilt wearer, and I know!

**Panache** · 3rd July 06, 04:53 PM

I respectful disagree with Hamish. I think the UK Mocker is the best of the Utilikilts. It is the only one (in my humble opinion) that can be dressed up or down. I have worn it hiking with kindergarteners and worn it out on the town with my lovely Flame-Haired Celtic Amazon Goddess. It is comfortable and very low maintenance. Granted I am not so "Butch" as Hamish. So I don't have to maintain such a macho personae. I think it's great. It may not be everybody's cup up tea, but it is mine*. Those who challenge this risk getting squirted with a super-soaker.

Cheers

* actually my cup of tea is generally green tea, but oh well it sounded good

**Raphael** · 3rd July 06, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Hamish

As for 'dressier' Utilikilts: it's just my 'umble opinion, but I do not believe any Utilikilt can be dressed up - the fabrics just do not lend themselves to being dressy. Utilikilts are the kilt wearer's blue jeans - can be worn for really tough working conditions or for clean casual wear, but not for anything dressy! And that is why they are so important to us full-time kilt wearers.

Believe me. I am a kilt wearer, and I know!

I agree with Hamish 100%.

I have tried to wear a tie with my UK and the tie stood out like a sore thumb. I don't even like to wear a dress/business shirt with my Uk. They are too casual. However, T-shirts and Polo Shirts are perfect with them.

In addition, I will never wear my kilt hose with my UK as well. Just because they cost over $125, that doesn't mean that they are dressy enough for the corporate world or semi formal events.

**pbpersson** · 3rd July 06, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Panache

I respectful disagree with Hamish. I think the UK Mocker is the best of the Utilikilts. It is the only one (in my humble opinion) that can be dressed up or down. I have worn it hiking with kindergarteners and worn it out on the town with my lovely Flame-Haired Celtic Amazon Goddess. It is comfortable and very low maintenance.

I guess my main question is this - let's say a person does not have hundreds of dollars to spend on "traditional" kilts and wants to wear something to work (business environment) or church on Sunday. If you only have say $150 to spend, do you go with the Mocker or the Original with the big floppy pockets on the outside......or does one say that kilts cannot be worn for "dressier" events until they win the lottery?

**Raphael** · 3rd July 06, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by pbpersson

I guess my main question is this - let's say a person does not have hundreds of dollars to spend on "traditional" kilts and wants to wear something to work (business environment) or church on Sunday. If you only have say $150 to spend, do you go with the Mocker or the Original with the big floppy pockets on the outside......or does one say that kilts cannot be worn for "dressier" events until they win the lottery?

I would shop at Stillwater Kilts. $150 will get you a nice kilt and a sporran.

**highlandcelt** · 3rd July 06, 06:22 PM

I have the "Original" model from UK, in black, and I love it! The only thing I don't like about it is the rear pocket. It is a tad too small to accommodate my wallet. I've had mine about 3 maybe 4 years, and it has faded just a wee bit in color, but not really too noticeable, unless I wear a brand new black shirt. It is very light-weight and very comfy. Other than the pocket, I can't complain.