Flag Kilts

**Riverkilt** · 7th August 06, 01:32 PM

Bright it is...only wore in in parades, to highland games, and hiking a few times before I "outgrew" it.

Ron

**neo71665** · 7th August 06, 03:12 PM

Belive it or not but there are laws and a code of conduct (if you will) against the way american flag is worn today. Todays society has gotten too relaxed to bother teaching the stuff, my grandfather told me about this. I don't see what the big deal is about flags though. I own a couple things with the scottish flag on them, a few with the confederate "battle flag", and even some with the american flag.

I refuse to wear the american flag due to the fact I'm not some yuppie thats gonna throw it on everything I got right now cause we are at war. I think its pretty sorry thats what it took for most americans to become patriotic. I also think its sorry the was some dumb jerks have taken a part of southern history (conferderate flag) and turned it into what they have.

~steps off soapbox~
What it boils down to me is wear it if you want just please do it for a respectable reason.

You can read this and see how many codes are broken daily:http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html

The first one that pops into mind is the stickers you see on the back of cars but as you read:

The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle or of a railroad train or a boat. When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender.

**neo71665** · 7th August 06, 03:26 PM

and to add some rules that are from above site.

The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.

I think "wearing apparel" refers to a kilt

The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.

Can't count how many times I've seen this rule broken

No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

The NFL broke this rule after 9/11 with the patches on thier uniforms

**phil h** · 7th August 06, 04:20 PM

very interesting thanks for this addition to this post.

I wonder if most countries have a similar code.
you should have seen all the flags here in Ontario fixed to car windows when the world cup was on, they where also tucked under hoods and trunks etc
http://www.gettysburgflag.com/CarWindowFlag.html

Originally Posted by neo71665

and to add some rules that are from above site.

The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.

I think "wearing apparel" refers to a kilt

The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.

Can't count how many times I've seen this rule broken

No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

The NFL broke this rule after 9/11 with the patches on thier uniforms

**Chris Webb** · 7th August 06, 05:39 PM

I think the one main issue that determines just what flag is ever made into a kilt, shirt, pants or any other garment is simply whether or not it's a good lookin' flag. Honestly, some flags really don't look that good and simply can't be made into a decent garment. Ugly flags don't like to be made into garments and are jealous of the good lookin' flags that do.

The Texas Flag lends itself well to any garment you want to make ... right now I'm wearing Texas Flag running shorts!! In the Stockyards of Fort Worth you'll see Texas Flag shirts, hats, pants, scarves, bandanas, two-piece and one-piece bathing suits ... you name it. Of course, the design, colors, simplicity and universal familiarity makes it perfect for such uses.

A Texas Flag kilt? I'd buy one RIGHT NOW!! It'd be a great lookin' kilt. Let the complex and ugly flags dispute their use as a garment all they like ... the really good lookin' flags, like me, will .....

Kilt ON!!

Chris Webb

**GTRMAN** · 8th August 06, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by neo71665

Belive it or not but there are laws and a code of conduct (if you will) against the way american flag is worn today.
The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle or of a railroad train or a boat. When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender.

There are no enforceable laws regarding the wearing or use of the flag in the United States as the way the flag is treated, worn or used is protected under Amendment I of the U.S. Constitution. Therefore, any preconceived notions on how it's used as clothing are up in the air. The real RULES regarding flag-wearing are as maleable as those regarding kilt-wearing.

**macwilkin** · 8th August 06, 06:19 AM

Gents,

We're riding the line here. Let's try to keep it on the subject of flags and kilts as much as possible.

T.

**Panache** · 8th August 06, 08:18 AM

Out of curiosity does anyone here own (or even seen) one of the Union Kilts Flag models?

Cheers

**Jimmy Carbomb** · 8th August 06, 08:33 AM

In all that's been said through this thread...

Originally Posted by GTRMAN

The real RULES regarding flag-wearing are as maleable as those regarding kilt-wearing.

... that pretty much sums it up!!!

As I attempted to state earlier, I wear my tri-color as a symbol of pride. Apparently that comes across in the way I wear it and how people perceive it.

The Saltire kilts that are worn at the football games are worn in the same manner. The point that's most important is that you're wearing a kilt... not an actual flag. It's a subtle distinction, but one that's appropriate here.

~and with that... you just can't argue with someone's own personal perception (not opinion)~

**SingleBarrelBourbon** · 8th August 06, 09:56 AM

Gents,

Again my apologies. Like I said in a previous post I am rather anal about flag etiquette. Didn't mean to cross any lines or intentionally ruffle any feathers.

Yes, the US Flag Code is not enforceable, just a guideline to show how to pay proper respect to the US flag.

I will try to temper my comments concerning my beliefs from now on.