Flag Kilts

[neo71665]

Belive it or not but there are laws and a code of conduct (if you will) against the way american flag is worn today. Todays society has gotten too relaxed to bother teaching the stuff, my grandfather told me about this. I don't see what the big deal is about flags though. I own a couple things with the scottish flag on them, a few with the confederate "battle flag", and even some with the american flag.

I refuse to wear the american flag due to the fact I'm not some yuppie thats gonna throw it on everything I got right now cause we are at war. I think its pretty sorry thats what it took for most americans to become patriotic. I also think its sorry the was some dumb jerks have taken a part of southern history (conferderate flag) and turned it into what they have.

~steps off soapbox~
What it boils down to me is wear it if you want just please do it for a respectable reason.

You can read this and see how many codes are broken daily:http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html

The first one that pops into mind is the stickers you see on the back of cars but as you read:

The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle or of a railroad train or a boat. When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender.

[neo71665]

and to add some rules that are from above site.

The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.

I think "wearing apparel" refers to a kilt

The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.

Can't count how many times I've seen this rule broken

No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

The NFL broke this rule after 9/11 with the patches on thier uniforms

[Ne Oublie]

while I think the flags on kilts looks pretty cool ( especially some of the salitre kilts), but I've got reservations about wearing the flag of my country about my waist and sitting on it.

HERE! HERE! I'm of the same thought

[MacHummel]

The only kilt I've done with a flag was a Canadian Flag kilt it was red and white the front apron had a big maple leaf on it I an still waiting on the pics from that particular customer. I think is it is done with respect it is a very cool concept for a kilt.

[beloitpiper]

I think national tartans were made so we wouldn't have to argue about this. I believe that if somebody wants to honor their country, region, state, city, etc. they should wear the tartan associated with it and keep the flag where it belongs: flying proudly at the top of the mast.

I do admire the skill required to put a flag in pleats, but I personally do not agree that it should be worn.

[SingleBarrelBourbon]

HERE! HERE! I'm of the same thought

HERE! HERE! INDEED! (As I jump up on my soapbox)

As a US Navy Veteran and a member of the Patriot Guard Riders, I cannot tell you the number of times I have seen the US flag being worn in a manner to intentionally show total disrespect for it. When the PGR is on a mission, I make certain that everyone there knows how anal I am about the US Flag Code and remind them that I will take the US Flag away from them if I see it abused. Have not had any problems yet.

If a flag patch is worn in a manner that truly honors the flag and shows total respect for it, more power to the person wearing it.

(Now jumping down from my soapbox, hope I don't hurt myself)

[Panache]

Gentlemen,

I am noticing that this thread is getting a tad heated, probably due to all the exercise from jumping up and down on various soapboxes. Let's keep it on kilts and try not to get too excited. There are many good thoughts here from different people. Let's make sure we keep it cool and collected though.

Respectfully

[phil h]

very interesting thanks for this addition to this post.

I wonder if most countries have a similar code.
you should have seen all the flags here in Ontario fixed to car windows when the world cup was on, they where also tucked under hoods and trunks etc
http://www.gettysburgflag.com/CarWindowFlag.html

and to add some rules that are from above site.

The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.

I think "wearing apparel" refers to a kilt

The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.

Can't count how many times I've seen this rule broken

No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

The NFL broke this rule after 9/11 with the patches on thier uniforms

[macwilkin]

Gentlemen,

I am noticing that this thread is getting a tad heated, probably due to all the exercise from jumping up and down on various soapboxes. Let's keep it on kilts and try not to get too excited. There are many good thoughts here from different people. Let's make sure we keep it cool and collected though.

Respectfully

Thanks to Panache and MacWage for "self-policing" so far in this thread. We Mods do appreciate the help! :mrgreen:

As the other vexillologist on the board, I tend to agree with this sentiment:

I think national tartans were made so we wouldn't have to argue about this. I believe that if somebody wants to honor their country, region, state, city, etc. they should wear the tartan associated with it and keep the flag where it belongs: flying proudly at the top of the mast.

That sums it up quite nicely for me in terms of my opinion.

Thanks, gents, for keeping it civil -- keep it up!

Cheers,

Todd

[morrison]

MacWage was after all, looking for opinion. So, I've offered my op.

I think national tartans were made so we wouldn't have to argue about this. I believe that if somebody wants to honor their country, region, state, city, etc. they should wear the tartan associated with it and keep the flag where it belongs: flying proudly at the top of the mast.

I do admire the skill required to put a flag in pleats, but I personally do not agree that it should be worn.

Ditto on the skill and national tartans.

I'd better put in on my feeling about wearing the flag as clothing. I will no more wear the flag of any nation as a focal point upon my clothing. I'll honor the nation in the wearing of the national color upon my clothing in an appropriately respectful fashion and general reference to the pennant or banner it flies, but if it starts looking like a flag or too near that imagery, it's naught for me. I find this attitude of mine most difficult to abide in. My daughter gave a precious gift to me. It was a white pullover sweatshirt with the American flag on it. I wore it proudly and often when with her and a number of times without, until I retired the sweatshirt for having shrunk due to washings. I also was given a ballcap with the Balde Headed eagle emblazoned onto the cap in front of the American flag. I love the gifts and proudly wear the life into them. It strains me to improperly display the flag. I'll be true to myself inasmuch as I am also honoring my loved and their love for me. I'll wear the hat as needed for glaring sun, then it's off. I have many hats, most are worn for a season then are either retired or discarded.

As for the American flag,
This link took me to:
The American Legion site of;
Flag etiquette of the United States
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionar...+United+States

and this link takes me to:

TITLE 4--FLAG AND SEAL, SEAT OF GOVERNMENT, AND THE STATES
CHAPTER 1--THE FLAG

http://www.access.gpo.gov/uscode/title4/chapter1_.html