Flag Kilts

[GTRMAN]

Gents,

Again my apologies. Like I said in a previous post I am rather anal about flag etiquette. Didn't mean to cross any lines or intentionally ruffle any feathers.

Yes, the US Flag Code is not enforceable, just a guideline to show how to pay proper respect to the US flag.

I will try to temper my comments concerning my beliefs from now on.

It's all good, brother!!

No feathers ruffled over here.. I believe people can express opposing viewpoints and remain completely respectful..

[mddock58]

We are not talking about using actual flags to make a garment. This question is regarding garments that represent flags.

Yes there is a difference!

Therefore the US Flag Code does not apply in the first place.

[bubba]

Using the colors and some elements of a flag in clothing is fine by me, after all, it isn't a flag. Using the flag itself is a different matter.

[Frank McGrath]

Do what you want with the flag....Wear it as akilt or whatever. JUST NOT IN FRONT OF ME

[GTRMAN]

Do what you want with the flag....Wear it as akilt or whatever. JUST NOT IN FRONT OF ME

What would be the consequences?

[macwilkin]

Gents,

Consider this your official "warning shot". Keep the thread on kilts & flags, or it will be locked down and in the penalty box.

Regards,

Todd

[Iolaus]

For me, a country flag on the back/front of a shirt or jacket would be considered patriotic/supportive of that country. The wearing of a representation of a flag under the waist would not. Just my feeling on it and my wife says I can be stubborn at times

What he said!

You asked for personal opinions.... I think that the back, chest, and shoulders are used as billboards - to display things - and as such, are appropriate places for a flag if you wish to display one on your body. Below the waist is not being respectful of a flag.

As for the Saltair kilt, I was under the impression that the Saltair flag was the symbol of the Scottish nation of the past. Was I wrong about that? If it is, and if there can be an arguement made that there is still a Scottish national culture, then I believe that, for me, it would fall under the "flag catagory" as well, and I would not wear it out of respect for that "nation".

[macwilkin]

As for the Saltair kilt, I was under the impression that the Saltair flag was the symbol of the Scottish nation of the past. Was I wrong about that? If it is, and if there can be an arguement made that there is still a Scottish national culture, then I believe that, for me, it would fall under the "flag catagory" as well, and I would not wear it out of respect for that "nation".

From the Lord Lyon's web site:

The Saltire
The flag of St. Andrew, the patron saint of Scotland. Blue with a white or silver diagonal cross reaching to its edges, this is the correct flag for all Scots or Scottish corporate bodies to fly to demonstrate their loyalty and their Scottish nationality.

Its proportions are not fixed, but 5:4 is suitable.

It is correct both to fly it with or instead of the Union flag. If both are flown they must be on separate poles.

-- www.lyon-court.com

Cheers,

Todd

[overexposed]

Two of my "hot button" issues are people who want to deny me the right to own and use firearms and those who disrespect the flag.

Still stinging from the lockdown of the "Utilikilt/No Firearms Photos" issue (that never was allowed to become a thread here) I will be brief.

Few nations have the strict written/unwritten laws and customs that the USA does in regard to its national colors.

Many nations have no code and allow such things as dipping their flag as a salute. We dont.

The US Flag Code is extremely clear on this matter as several people have expressed. Personally, I think it goes too far (i.e. a respectful image of a flag is still prohibited from being displayed on garments). Obviously the people who buy these are doing so to demonstrate patriotism and can't be faulted for violating the Flag Code. Because of this, I don't wear many of the great designs are out there even though I would like to.

Making a kilt from a flag is a a NOGO as well as any kilt that displays the red,white and blue in an order that is the same as a US Flag. A good example of this would be r/w/b bikinis. If blue/star cloth is used for the top and red/white stripes for the bottom - there is no foul. But using material that has the two together would be a bad thing.

Yes, there is a lot of room for modernization of the Flag Code but I feel all patriotic Americans should abide by it.

Several years ago (I think it was Union Kilts) I saw their first flag kilt ( a European flag, forget which one). It looked great. I emailed the company explaining that the USA had a flag code and that making one from our flag would be a serious disrespect to Old Glory. I receive a really nice reply from someone (lost when the other computer crashed - think it was the owner) saying they didnt even know that and wanted to make sure they didnt disrespect anyones customs. I thought that was a great reply.

I once watched a hippie get clobbered by a gigantic former US Marine in DC for ripping off his US Flag patch (sewn upside down) and stomping on it. There is enough passion behind this issue that I would think it wise for flag-hating people to just continue hating their flag in private. Many vets don't care too much about anything other than 80c drafts at the VFW but 10s of 1000s do and will react.

Thats all I will say as I want this post to remain posted and not be mysteriously deleted for contributing to controversy (or fiesty discussion).

Sincerely,
OE
US Army Infantry/Combat Medic
Patriot Guard Rider

[phil h]

From the Lord Lyon's web site:



Cheers,

Todd

I just clicked on the link in this post, the Lord Lyon him self had a flag on his jacket, wasn't that what heraldry was invented for?
for wearing on a tunic over armour to identify a knight?