19th cent Inherited kilt accessories

[sirdaniel1975]

Just thought I'd show off some the child kilt accessories I inherited from my Great Grandfather Jervis Coates Williamson. My grandfather gave them to me in 1998. There is no family kilt from that period as far as I know. This all leads me to beleive it was a school or scouts uniform (I've seen photos of scouts in kilts)... and the kilt was on loan or check out... Anyway, the items date back at least to the 1880's in Glasgow... Enjoy!

Child's Balmoral with a black torrie!


Underside


Childs Horse hair Dress Sporran.


Black Watch(Campbell) Rossette/Ribbon & Thistle pin (Probably his cap badge)


Kilt pins (smallest to largest) represents the use over the years as he grew up.






Daniel S. Williamson
My Website

[macwilkin]

Very nice! What a great collection, especially one with such significance!

The rosette might be another kilt pin -- I know the Black Watch wears a rosette variant as a kilt pin.

Cheers,

Todd

[sirdaniel1975]

Cajunscot,

Yes, I've seen them used as kilt pins. The rosette that is. Similar to some of the regimental ones... Seen them on Black Watch kilts.

[Tattoo Bradley]

How AWESOME! Very special indeed.

I'd show them off too... something to be proud of.

[Tullibardine]

Black Watch NCOs and officers wear 'Gaelic Knots' which are bows, not rosettes. Argyll officers wear rosettes on the right flank pleat of their kilt, and Scots Guards pipers wear both rosettes and a kilt pin on the kilt apron.

The rosette shown may have been a prize, or worn on a kilt apron.

[macwilkin]

Black Watch NCOs and officers wear 'Gaelic Knots' which are bows, not rosettes. Argyll officers wear rosettes on the right flank pleat of their kilt, and Scots Guards pipers wear both rosettes and a kilt pin on the kilt apron.

The rosette shown may have been a prize, or worn on a kilt apron.

Source, please? Not questioning your information, just want to know where you found it. After looking at the photos of the RHR in the 2006 North American tour program, they do look more like knots, but the text makes no mention of a "Gaelic Knot" in the uniform section.

Ted Nevill's "The Scottish Regiments" (Europa Militaria No. 24) refers to them only as "green silk ribbons" (p. 24).

Argyll officers and senior NCO's wear the kilt panel:

http://www.calgaryhighlanders.com/kiltpanel.htm

The Calgary Highlanders are an "allied" regiment of the Argylls, and have adopted many of their customs and traditions.

Cheers,

Todd

[andyfg]

Nice collection.

[Big Paul]

Very cool!

[sirdaniel1975]

Folks,

On the ribbon issues, I found some pics online that will back up a bit of everyones claims.

Here's pics of the Blackwacth pipers in Royal Stewart tartan + ribbons:







Here are pics of the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders with their style of ribbons, or whatever they are actually called. By the way, they wear the blackwatch tartan, which is what I was mostly referring to. So, to a certain extent, we are both right.







Now, here's why I think my great grandfather wore it in his bonnets. My brother inherited a glengary that had tartan trim added to it in place of dicing. Back in 1998 the tartan is an unidentified one according to Matthew Newsome. Tartan on bonnets are not the norm, but he (great grandfather) seemed to be doing it. Some are probably thinking that the ribbon hanging from the bonnet is not normal either. I have seen paintings of jacobites where the whit rosette had two strands of ribbon hanging from it. I'm sure the memmories of some of you are starting to recall this as well. I tried to find period paintings online but could not. I do not remember where i originally saw it. I've seen alot of Scottish art work over the years.. The best I could do was the MacGillivary print by Rober McIan (c) 1845.

MacGillivary

I'm not referring to the blue ribbon, the white ribbon on the rear left side. It has two trands of white ribbon dangling from the bow.

[macwilkin]

There are several other paintings in the MacIan series that show a similar style of cockade:

MacDonald of Glencoe
MacDonald of Keppoch
Clanranald (MacDonald)

And a couple of more:

http://www.tartansauthority.com/Web/...nPaintings.asp

Cheers,

Todd