Non-Scottish Kilts? HUH?!?

[MacWage]

. . . just different tartans (many of which are very nice patterns).


For more information you can check out Matt Newsome's site www.albanach.org. He has a number of really well written articles on there.

The tartans also seem to be by and large alternate colorings of Scot tartans. I noticed this a while back and thought (heeh???). Matt Newsome has an article on his site somewhere saying what I've suspected for a while-> MANY Irish and Welsh tartans (not all)= Scot tartans with different colors in same layout.

[chasem]

All the welsh tartans I have seen (read: maybe not all of them, but many) are not the same pattern in warp and weft. Also, Welsh tartan mills do not make the cloth with a cilting selvedge, and as such all Welsh Cilts (that I've heard of at least...) are made with a hem.

[macwilkin]

MacWage mentioned the blog article by our own Matt Newsome about Irish tartans; another good blog entryof Matt's deals with the kilt as a "pan-Celtic" garment:

http://blog.albanach.org/2005/04/kil...c-garment.html

Here's the original article, and more to read:

http://blog.albanach.org/2005/11/iri...artans-in.html

http://blog.albanach.org/2005/07/oh-dear.html

Cheers,

Todd

[ozmeath]

Scotts have kilts too?!!

[phil h]

MacWage mentioned the blog article by our own Matt Newsome about Irish tartans; another good blog entryof Matt's deals with the kilt as a "pan-Celtic" garment:

http://blog.albanach.org/2005/04/kil...c-garment.html

Here's the original article, and more to read:

http://blog.albanach.org/2005/11/iri...artans-in.html

http://blog.albanach.org/2005/07/oh-dear.html

Cheers,

Todd

there is some drivel in this blog. why does it have to be anti-English? why does it have to be anti-anything? isn't it more pro-Scottish? and how do you explain me, an Englishman wearing a kilt, by these standards?
when was the last time you put on a kilt thinking, I hate the English, I'll put on my kilt to prove it?

[macwilkin]

there is some drivel in this blog. why does it have to be anti-English? why does it have to be anti-anything? isn't it more pro-Scottish? and how do you explain me, an Englishman wearing a kilt, by your standards?
when was the last time you put on a kilt thinking, I hate the English, I'll put on my kilt to prove it?

Phil,

If you read the blog again carefully, you'll notice that neither Matt (or myself, for that matter) have said anything "anti-English" -- some of the people responding certainly have, but Matt cannot control that.

But the simple fact remains that for some, the adoption of the kilt and other forms of Highland attire by the Irish, Welsh, etc. was a way to display their "Irishness", "Welshness", etc. and to distance themselves from being called a "West Briton" or a "North Briton"...very similar to all of the English flying the St. George's Cross flags today -- they are re-asserting themselves as English. That's kind of how nationalism works, my friend. I don't agree with "anti-English" comments myself, anymore than I agree with "anti-Scottish" comments.

Regards,

Todd

[phil h]

Phil,

If you read the blog again carefully, you'll notice that neither Matt (or myself, for that matter) have said anything "anti-English" -- some of the people responding certainly have, but Matt cannot control that.

But the simple fact remains that for some, the adoption of the kilt and other forms of Highland attire by the Irish, Welsh, etc. was a way to display their "Irishness", "Welshness", etc. and to distance themselves from being called a "West Briton" or a "North Briton"...very similar to all of the English flying the St. George's Cross flags today -- they are re-asserting themselves as English. That's kind of how nationalism works, my friend. I don't agree with "anti-English" comments myself, anymore than I agree with "anti-Scottish" comments.

Please do not put words in my mouth, sir. My Wilkinson ancestors were from Northumberland.

Regards,

Todd

sorry I wasn't refering to you, you just linked to the post, and I was not refering to mat, just the comments on his blog.

[MacWage]

there is some drivel in this blog. why does it have to be anti-English? why does it have to be anti-anything? isn't it more pro-Scottish? and how do you explain me, an Englishman wearing a kilt, by these standards?
when was the last time you put on a kilt thinking, I hate the English, I'll put on my kilt to prove it?

Interesting . . .

Matt, by the way, is of English blood (his last name is English), as well as Scottish. He is also American by birth. He was NOT being anti-English, just assertig that Scots and others have attributed kilts as a Celtic identity, and adopted a particularly highlander Scot garb that was not historically Irish, Welsh, Brittony, or anything else. If I READ IT RIGHT, he was pointing out that it is a HIGHLANDER garment, not a pan-celtic. It was not anti-English.

Historically, Kilts are Scottish, but they are becoming more and more common and used for more everyday usage. I do think that it is Americans (US and Canadian both) driving this, which is cross-filtering to Scotland.

Also-> I think that contemptory kilts are possibly more American in roots than Scottish, so may be called something to that in effect in a future time. UNLESS, kilts become more common and we have "modern" kilts and "traditional" kilts or "Scottish Kilts"

PS-> I prefer the term American as ALL North and South Americans. Yet, I'm not sure what else to call us who live in the US besides "us." Canadians have it lucky that they can be "American if they want to be OR Canadian OR "Her Majesty's Loyal Subjects."

[phil h]

I'm not saying mat was being anti-English. but someone who posted a reply to his blog, mentioned the term "anti-English" and that some people wear a kilt to show their anti-English attitude.

my personal opinion is this: I can't see anyone wearing a kilt to be anti-English.
I can however see someone wearing a kilt for comfort or to show their Scottish pride. I'm not accusing anyone here or on mats blog of being anti-English. just because you mention something does not make you anti-anything.

IF you read my other post I said
"sorry I wasn't referring to you, you just linked to the post, and I was not referring to mat, just the comments on his blog."

[bubba]

Lesson I learned many years ago, people that throw the "anti- (insert subject) are usually following an agenda of their own and should generally be ignored since the rarely have anything of value to contribute to any discussion.