Newbe Question alert: Okay to wear other tartan?

[Tattoo Bradley]

Wow quite a thread, I am interested in the Royal Stewart tartan which, IIRC, in the current Royal tartan and as a member of Commonwealth I am permitted to wear, correct?

Thanks again, sorry for all the questions.

Kevin

As they've been trying to convey: there is NO LAW or PERMISSION required to wear ANY tartan. Wear what you like. Simply do it respectfully. I own a Wallace Modern and have absolutely no affiliation (that I know of) to the clan. I wear it out of admiration of William Wallace. I wear it with pride.

[McClef]

Go right ahead - I have a Royal Stewart too and my clan is Robertson!

[Andrew Green]

Absolutely wear what you want, but do it with respect, and pride naturally. Everyone else here has already said that, and I cannot help but echo that.

Also, if you are looking to diversify your wardrobe... and are getting tailored kilts, I would suggest a look at a number of the district tartans... many of them are just stunning patterns, and some of them quite old too. National tartans are typically eye catching too. There are a LOT of options out there when it comes to choosing tartans... often I find, the hardest part is trying to make up your mind!
Good times!

[Raphael]

If you are not buying a premade kilt, why don't you look at the BC tartan?

[parpin]

Hi all,

For purists wearing a kilt with a tartan that isn't our would be a sacrilege.

I was a little skeptical when I decided to buy a kilt and for that reason I choose the province of Quebec tartan.

To make things clear I decided to write to the canadian Fraser clan chief and asked hit if a non Fraser can wear a Fraser tartan without upseting a person of that clan.

Here is the reply

Hello Pierre Arpin,

Other than the Balmoral Tartan that is reserved for the exclusive use of members of the Royal Family, any of the now more than 5,000 tartans registered with the Scottish Tartans Authority, including the many Fraser tartans, may be worn by anyone who chooses to do so. I frequently encounter people wearing a Fraser tartan kilt and usually speak with them. A number of people I have encountered wearing a Fraser kilt have no Clan Fraser connection but just like our tartans, so feel free to wear whatever you like.

For a good example of the most popular Fraser tartans visit the site of The Lady Saltoun, Chief of Clan Fraser at http://www.fraserchief.co.uk/tartans.html The Fraser Gathering tartans, designed for the 1997 Clan Fraser Gathering at Castle Fraser, may not be readily available now, but Ancient Hunting and Red Dress Fraser are readily available from major Scottish tartan mills. I own and wear both a Red Fraser tartan kilt for formal events, and an Ancient Hunting Fraser tartan kilt for day wear.

Sincerely,

W. Neil Fraser, Chairman
Clan Fraser Society of Canada

Hoping that will help somebody in the future.

[Robin]

Many clans didn't had their own tartan when tartans and kilts became a (upper class) hype early 19th century, so they went to Wilson of Bannockburn...the most important weaver.
Some picked a tartan from an old painting, others had their tartan designed and some just picked an excisting tartan from a sample book....and claimed it. Some tartans changed name this way (The Regency tartan became the MacLaren tartan for instance).

And to make it all a bit more complicated...the Sobieski brothers came up with the "Vestiarium Scoticum" with "ancient" (clan) tartans...they invented themselves :rolleyes:
The "yellow" MacLeod is a Sobieski invented tartan for instance.

Conclusion...clan tartans are not as old as many think they are, some tartans were in use as fashion (because clans just didn't had a tartan) tartans before they became....clan tartans.

What a mess

So...wear the tartan you like, you can't make it any worse

[Blu (Ontario)]

Regardless of the history of tartan, or whether or not there are laws, I do not wear clan tartans other thatn the ones with which I have some connecttion. Out of both respect, and personal preference. There are a number of tartans considered "open" to all as welll as district tartans. (My personal favorite right now... the Xmarks tartan.)

This is a choice I have made for myself. However, I'm not one to pass judgement on others for wearing a specific tartan for their own reasons either.

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[MacWage]

I'll add a few comments here:

Take into consideration, virtually ALL tartans have a SPECIFIC meaning and "baggage" attatched to them. For example, the Royal Stewart is "officially" the tartan of the royal family, but has been opened to all her subjects and those that are thier decendants and those who ally with her. The Black Watch is the tartan of a specific old military unit (the "government" unit during the Jacobite years). It has been used by many, many units since then and is now seen as a "general" tartan. Many I know DO NOT wear these two tartans for the Royal and Government associations they bear. Likewise, Caledonia is a very,very old pattern and was used in the 18th and probably the 17th century. It is used to represent Scotland as a whole today. Each and almost every tartan has similar associations.

Sometimes, a tartan has more than one association. One of these is the same Black Watch mentioned above. A good article on this is:
http://albanach.org/tartanname.htm
One on Black Watch is here:
http://albanach.org/blackwatch.htm

While one is free to wear (almost) any tartan, each has one or more meaning and to wear that tartan ties the wearer to the meaning. In some cases, it is to make a claim that one has no right to (such as the Balmoral tartan, which is understood to be limited to the royal family itself-> so to wear it bears the claim of being royalty). I analogize it to sports colors. In both sides of the Atlantic, football (in US-> NFL or college and in Europe-> football/soccer) provides a good example. Each team has a set of colors, a livery associated with THAT team. While free to wear whatever colors you want, to wear these colors is to associate yourself with that team. So:
Anywhere in the US, to wear:
orange and a white paw-> Clemson University
Green and Yellow-> Green Bay Packers (NFL) or Oakland A's (MLB)
Purple and yellow-> Minnisota Vikings
Black, Light Blue, and silver or white-> Carolina Panthers
(You get the idea)
This is accentuated with logos added to the colors.

A few weeks ago (the day of the Atlanta Falcons/Carolina Panthers football game), I wore a Falcons jersey and a Black Watch kilt on the battery in Charleston, South Carolina (Panther country). It seemed more people noticed the jersey more than the kilt!!! I stood out as a Falcons fan and got pro and con comments on the team (with only 1 mention of the kilt at all!!), no negative "skirt comments" ("Trust a Falcons fan to wear a skirt"-> never heard). The colors tied me to the team (and, thereby, all the other Falcons fans)

A Tartan is similar.
MacLeod ties to the MacLeods
MacNeil to the MacNeils
Wallace to Wallace
USA Bicenntenial/St Andrews-> US citizen/supporter
Carolina-> North and South Carolina
(again-> you get the idea)

Therefore, while one is "free" to wear whatever tartan he/she wishes, one is identified with the meaning of that tartan, and they become a representative of that tartan. It is best to know what that tartan is, what it means, and be able to discuss it at least somewhat. Imagine:
A person who wears a Packers jersey and is asked "How about those Packers?"
Person-> "The who?"
Questioner-> "The team your wearing."
Person-> "Oh,I just saw it and liked the colors."
Most likely this will result in a look of disgust, if not downright anger.

Moral: Wear what you like, but know what you wear and have a good reason for it. The best reason-> My ????? was a Mac????

PS-> I am an Atlanta Falcons fan, as that is where I was born and raised. By second favorite team (by only a small margin)-> Panthers, for I have lived here since the team can into being.

[turpin]

MacWage

That was a very interesting and informative post. I learned a lot. Thank you.