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18th September 06, 05:27 PM
#11
Originally Posted by David Dalglish
Good luck to you & your wife
And to your neighbors (in the nearest 1/4 mile or more).
And to your relationships with them.
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18th September 06, 07:43 PM
#12
So that's what that noise is I've been hearing here in Colorado
Best of luck on your practice. I was talking with my wife the other day about the same thing guess that's one hobby I won't be taking up.
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19th September 06, 05:17 AM
#13
Some experience
I took up the pipes later in life (just shy of 50). I've been taking lessons for 6 years, been on the pipes for 5. Your instructor should start you out with a practice chanter. Basically its a version of the pipe chanter with a mouthpiece . That's what you'll learn the basics on, and you'll use it as long as you're piping for practicing and learning new tunes. It'll be a while before you're ready for the pipes. How long varies with the individual. Follow your instructor's lead on that. Also, be warned that the "bargain" pipes you see on e-bay and in some music shops are generally made in Pakistan. Pakistan produces good blades, and some very fine embroidery work, but the pipes leave much to be desired. I speak from experience. The first set I bought was through an ad in a local paper. Paid $185, thought I had a real bargain. My instructor asked "What ever posessed you to buy Pakistani pipes?" Who knew Pakistanis made pipes? I had to put another couple of hundred dollars into them to make them playable, and the sound quality still wasn't there. A good set of pipes can be had these days for from $700 - $1000. Of course, the sky's the limit, pricewise, depending on exactly what you want. I chose a set of Dunbar P3's. They're made of Delrin, rather than African Blackwood (with 11 grandkids I was looking for something bulletproof), but they get good comments as far as sound and appearance go. Most good pipers with admit they can't tell the difference is sound between a well set up poly pipe and a well set up blackwood pipe. Set up is something else you'll need your instructor's assistance with.
I took up the pipes for my own enjoyment, I don't play in a band (tell folks I play for my enjoyment and the neighbor's annoyance), but I truly enjoy it. Have fun.
All skill and effort is to no avail when an angel pees down your drones.
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29th September 06, 07:30 AM
#14
I always hate to read about someone taking up the pipes, because it reminds me of my own failure to grasp the concepts, years ago, and gives me the bug to try again.
Seriously, though, good luck. In fact, I picked up a video tutor over the summer and was recently invited to try free lessons again. Maybe...
Virtus Ad Aethera Tendit
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29th September 06, 07:40 AM
#15
I used to be able to play about ten simple tunes on the bagpipes but never good enough to join a marching band.
Besides buying a small chanter, you might find this a useful learning tool as it plays the notes at the same time as illustrating them on your PC screen.
http://members.aol.com/pipwriter/
Regional Director for Scotland for Clan Cunningham International, and a Scottish Armiger.
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29th September 06, 12:06 PM
#16
Good luck! Aside from more kilts, and a couple basket hilts (custom), I am saving up for a set of learner pipes. Does anyone know a good brand to start?
There is, sadly, no such thing. Don't fall for eBay sales pitches like "Great beginner's pipes!" The steps to learning the pipes should be:
1) Find an instructor.
2) Get a practice chanter. The PC is what you will start learning the pipes on; you need to have the notes and gracings down cold in muscle memory before you start trying to deal with breathing, the bag and drones. Seriously, I think there are many people who fail at the pipes because they start with a set of pipes rather than the PC. Often they bought a set of cheap pipes off eBay and became depressed when they sounded like a cat trying to go to the bathroom through a sewn-up bum, not realizing that it's almost impossible to get good sound out of those monstrosities.
3) When your instructor says you're ready, then buy a set of pipes. Saving for them now is a good thing; expect to spend anywhere from $600-1500 for a good set. By that time, hopefully you'll have had the chance to play your instructor's pipes, and will have heard some of the different brands out there and will have some idea of the sound you want. Like Piper, I bought Dunbar P-3s. I wanted the Delrin because of the ease of maintenance, and I wanted Dunbar because I love the big Henderson sound they put out. YMMV.
I bought a set of Pakistani pipes when I was first starting. (Between instructors, no Internet advice ... not a good thing.) They were awful. In fact, the first thing I thought when I got my Dunbars and started playing them was "My gosh, this is SO EASY!"
Oh, and jsut to respond to another them in this thread, I wear earplugs whenever I play, practice or otherwise. It's an excellent idea if you want to be able to hear anything later in life.
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8th October 06, 09:15 AM
#17
I've been practicing a lot with my Practice Pipes. They are a synthetic two drone kitchen pipe style that you can detach the chanter and attach the blow pipe to make an excellent PC. I would recommend them heartily as you have a set of pipes and a good full size chanter in one. The price is less than $200 usually. I've been shopping for a set of GH pipes and have narrowed my search down to Wallace or Dunbar. I'm partial to the blackwood and higher end components of the Wallace pipes and have had both recommended by some world class pipers. I have to admit that I stopped playing all together when I was going to school and have just found a new tutor to help me through the rough spots and give me some pointers. It's nice to have someone to practice with even if they are not an accomplished instructor. I prefer to think of it as a top down approach to piping. O'Neille
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11th October 06, 12:44 AM
#18
Pipe Selection
I have been playing for 5 years now and just played my first games with the Santa Cruz Pipes and Drums. I second the advice about getting the instructor and practice chanter first. I was on the Chanter for a year before starting on just blowing up the pipes and engaging the drones. When you are ready, there are many great choices for pipes and your instructor will provide the best guidance. You will need to choose a reputable pipe maker, followed by decisions relating to the size and type of bag you want to play, types of drone reeds, the chanter and chanter reeds. I play a set of Afrikan Blackwood Hardy Pipes with a Shepherd chanter and medium zippered elk bag. Drone reeds are Kinnaird carbon fiber and the chanter reed is cane Shepherd. I am not implying that this is in any way the "best" setup. (I have also played a set of wood Naill pipes with Silver ferrules that looked stunning and had beautiful steady tone). I am using this to demonstrate the importance of having a knowledgeable person shape your decisions in choosing a set of pipes. Each decision will have advantages and disadvantages and you will be living with your pipes for years to decades. Enjoy the journey. PiperGeorge
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11th October 06, 08:21 AM
#19
Originally Posted by Andrew Green
Good luck! I am saving up for a set of learner pipes. Does anyone know a good brand to start?
I highly recommend Dunbar P-series (polypenco) pipes. I have had a Dunbar P-3 for 10 years and love it.
Last edited by billmcc; 12th October 06 at 10:22 AM.
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12th October 06, 03:20 AM
#20
I third the Dunbars I have P2's with a bannatyne bag, omega drone reeds ( I actually have an EZdrone reed for the bass dron as I found the Omega too harsh sounding, an dit kinda over powered the tenors, and chanter ......not matter how I set it up...and trust me I spent a good two weeks adjusting that Bass reed !
Irish diplomacy: is telling a man to go to he)) in such a way that he looks forward to the trip!
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