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26th October 06, 05:15 PM
#1
Let's change this thread around a bit, and think again.
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You know guys, I'm going to wear pants as part of my Halloween Costume this year.
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OK, I'm waiting for the huge uproar..... but there won't be because pants are everyday wear. But wait, many of us go on and on about how our kilts are everyday wear....so why is is OK and not offensive to wear pants as part of a costume, but it IS offensive to wear a kilt as part of a costume?
Will all cowboys be offended if I wear pants on Halloween? I mean, cowboys wear pants, right? If not cowboys then perhaps it will be the electricians that will be offended? Or will it be the people who inherit the rich cultural tradition of Sarmatia, where for generation upon generation going back thousands of years, the men have worn pants?
'nuff said.
Speaking personally, I, myself wouldn't wear a kilt and black-tie outfit as a costume, just like I wouldn't wear a tuxedo as a costume. I would, however dress up in Revolutionary War garb as a Continental Soldier, if I had the kit to do so. I might dress up as a Confederate or Union Civil War soldier if I could. In fact I would wear a costume like that to the school I was substitute teaching at that day, in hopes that the costume would lead to some discussion of what it all was, and maybe some kids would learn about some history that way.
Analogous to that, I would dress up in a feile-beig, waistcoat, shirt, hose, and period shoes as a Highander at Culloden if I had the kit to do so.
Now, explain to me why dressing up as a Continental Army soldier or a Civil War solider is not an insult to the country, but dressing up as a Highlander from Culloden IS an insult?
OK, I don't have the kit to dress up as a veteran of the '45. But I DO have the kit to approximate the dress of a fair number of Highlanders from a round 1700. So explain to me why dressing as a Continental Army soldier or a Civil War soldier, or a regular citizen of a colonial town around 1776 is not an insult to the USA, but dressing up as a Highlander from around 1700 or so IS an insult to Scotland?
One last thing. Comments about the ACLU do not offend me. While the ACLU is anything but perfect, in my opinion they've done a lot of good in this country. The good they've done far, far outweighs the bad. If you want to say something to me that stings, taunting me with the acronym for the American Civil Liberties Union isn't going do it.
And I think that is MORE than enough said about non-kilt issues in this thread...
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26th October 06, 07:02 PM
#2
this is sort of an aside.....but I know a guy who works in IT and usually wears a polo shirt and Dickies type work pants to work everyday. When asked to "dress up" for Halloween....he donned a 3 pc. suit and tie.
When asked why he was wearing a suit....he said..."well you asked me to dress up!"
*cue rim shot*
I know I know....groan.
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27th October 06, 01:25 AM
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oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooo
Last edited by Foxgun Tom; 22nd January 07 at 11:42 AM.
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27th October 06, 05:27 AM
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Halloween!
If I see one Woman dressed up as The Statue of liberty Boy She is gonna get an ear-full.
I just finished putting together a Fiele-bieg(sp?) Great kilt, belted Plaid (Not sure if there is a difference) I took 4 yards of interesting plaid bought on sale at a local fabric store. It looks similar to the Irish National. Anyway I pleated 20 pleats from the center and pinned them in place. then ran a stitch perpendicular to them at the point where my belt would cover them.
Well it works really well at getting the thing on in a hurry. and looks really good. (Pics to follow after party) I know Totaly historicaly bougus.
"But Its Halloween." Has any one had experience with this technique to wrap a quick plaid?
“Live each season as it passes; breathe the air, taste the fruit, drink the drink, and resign yourself to the influences of each.” H.D. Thoreau
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27th October 06, 05:41 AM
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 Originally Posted by Foxgun Tom
In the United States Halloween is a commercial enterprise ( although a lot of fun ) here in Scotland its a festival linked to our Celtic and historical roots and traditions. Believe it or not!! there are still significant cultural differences between the USA and Scotland despite our close and warm connections??????????
Tom, I'm reluctant to hang labels, because they simply don't fit everyone, aye? But the vast majority of U.S. citizens think that their culture is the same culture practiced in every corner of the world, excepting those 'under-privileged third world nations' that don't know any better.
I'd be willing to wager that I can get the majority of people reading this thread headed off to their favorite search engine with the mention of one word - Samhain.
People here generally have no idea of what Samhain actually is. (or how it's pronounced! )
Here, the holiday has become a time to dress up and beg sweeties (if you are a child) or party (if you are an adult).
The thing for everyone to remember is that we cannot formulate opinions of an entire nation, based on the words and actions of a few.
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27th October 06, 06:15 AM
#6
 Originally Posted by Mike1
People here generally have no idea of what Samhain actually is. (or how it's pronounced!  )
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Sow-in. So there.
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27th October 06, 07:19 AM
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Found this in the internet:
Samhain is pronounced "sah-van", although many neo-Pagans pronounce it as "sow-in" (where "ow" rhymes with "cow"). Samhain is Irish Gaelic for the month of November. Samhuin is Scottish Gaelic for All Hallows, NOV-1.
You can find the full text at:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hallo_sa.htm
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27th October 06, 09:27 AM
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 Originally Posted by Mike1
People here generally have no idea of what Samhain actually is. (or how it's pronounced!  )
You mean the Celtic festival that gave Halloween a lot of it's practises and traditions 
Here's a decent link http://www.celticspirit.org/samhain.htm
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27th October 06, 09:36 AM
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Of interest might be Matt Newsome's thoughts on Halloween and costumes from his blog:
http://blog.albanach.org/archive/200...r_archive.html
Here is an article he wrote about the holiday and how the older pagan aspects intersect with modern Christian ones:
http://www.turrisfortis.com/halloween.html
Cheers
-See it there, a white plume
Over the battle - A diamond in the ash
Of the ultimate combustion-My panache
Edmond Rostand
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27th October 06, 09:44 AM
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and Panache
helps quelch the fire!
i read the links..... maybe not.......
Last edited by switchblade5984; 27th October 06 at 09:46 AM.
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