De-Anglicisation of Names

[MacWage]

So, COULD Wages/Wagers be (grammatically) Gaelic rooted?
(Even if not Wallace based)
I know Southern does "odd" things with "r"s. I noticed the SAME thing in reading John Knox (in original spellings).
BOTH drop them at the end of a word and add them to words that end with vowels.
(My grandmother called Atlanta, Georgia-> "Alaner, Gorger" and our mass transit system Marta-> "Marter," BUT would DROP r from ANY word ending with them (or any word with one near the end.)

Is this a reflection if the Gaelic behind Scots?

Is Wages/Wagers even reflective of verbal plausibility in Gaelic (would all the parts be pronouncable to a Gaelic speaker, a key to it even possibly being Gaelic in root)?

PS I am NOT trying to make it Scot or not, but it SHOULD be either Scot or German. If German it is either a butchered "Wagner" or not possible (the "s" ending CANNOT be German, but my German professor, after consulting friends, thought it would best fit either Scot or Irish Gaelic linguistically. What about Welsh for you Welsh speakers? Family tradition is "Scottish or Scotch-Irish," according to what either I or my cousin (who did alot of research) can find among relations along our branch. The "other" side says German, and the limited DNA seems to be either Scot (my side) or German (other side). The "belief" is an adoption of the root of one side or the other, as we both come from somewhere in South Carolina orginally and left around 1800, though both sides hit a dead lock around that year where a man comes from "no where." There is NO evidence that anyone has found for Joel Wages (my ancestor) in South Carolina, despite dozens spending hundred of hours each looking. Meanwhile, Joel and all his children married people of Scot names.
Hence, the lack of being able to trace directly.

A side note, the names Robert, James, and William appear in EVERY generation (often more than once in different branches) and the first known Wages seems to be a Wiliam Wages in 1691 Jamestown, Virginia (parallel to the first Jacobite Rebellion), which can be argued to support a conscious change from Wallace to Wages (with the "Southernese"/"Scots" r deal making Wagers too). The evidence is more circumstantial than positive.

[slohairt]

That is likely a fortunate coincidence, Turpin. For many years, Scottish scholars and particularly Clan Campbell itself had claimed that it's name came from the Latin (via Norman-French) de Campo Bello. But, alas, this is simply not true. The words cam meaning crooked and beul meaning mouth are still used today in Gaelic. (Cameron means crooked nose!) Most modern-day Scottish name scholars believe this story was made up because of two reasons: 1) an unpleasant etymology! 2) They preferred at the time to be associated with "noble" Normans rather than "barbaric" Highlanders.

[pdcorlis]

Care to take a crack at Corliss? I've heard its Irish, Scots, and/or English...

[Shane]

I'd love to hear what you can tell me about Learmonth.

Thanks,

Shane

[slohairt]

Dia Dhuit!

Ah, MacWage! Ai dinnae ken!

CORLISS I am ashamed to admit that I am stumped. However, a Gaelic transliteration would be Ceoirleas (pronounced CORE-LAS)

P.S. More about Campbell. Tradition holds that the semi-historical Diarmaid Ó Duibhne was the clan's founder. Ó Duibhne and Mac Duibhne would be the same name. Your ancestors would have be Maol Chaluim Mac Duibhne, Gille Easpuig Caimbeul (Archibald was used for many years as an "equivalent" to Gille Easpuig, anglicised Gillespic or Gillespie meaning servant of the bishop) and Aoife Ni Mhic Dhuibhne.

[slohairt]

Dia Dhuit, A Shéain!

Yes, your name Shane is an anglicisation of mine, Seán meaning John. The accent is just shifted to the "e" instead of the "a"



LEARMONTH is a Scottish Borders name. So therefore it would be of Lowland Scots origin, presumably. I couldn't find the exact etymology but the first element is likely from the Gaelic Leathar meaning half. This would refer to a land measure.

[auld argonian]

The Scottish side of my family is the Lattas and the name is definitely of Norman origin...there was a branch of the family that remained in France and on of them was among the mob that stormed the Bastille. The Norman connection makes a bit of sense since Auld William Latta was employed by Richard I as a military engineer. I've been given to understand that there's a rather big streak of Norman blood among the Scots.

Best

AA

[MacWage]

Dia Dhuit!

Ah, MacWage! Ai dinnae ken!

I wasn't trying to push it, but did. You just seem to know something I have wondered for several years, but have never been able to find anyone who could help.

I appologize again.


BTW, if interested, my actual name is pronounced Wa-long A-J-eh-s, JUST like the pay. Several of us are known as "Wage," as am my father (and I), so I am "Son of Wage" de-anglicized to MacWage!

[Frank MacDuffy]

MacPhee: Not quite as simple as it looks! MacPhee (also, M(a)cFie) can be one of these two Gaelic surnames: Mac a' Phì "son of the ?" (pronounced MAC A PHEE) or Mac Dhuibhshith (MAC IV-HEE) "son of the dark faerie"

Not the same dark faerie of lore that started the first footing tradition is it? Or does it just mean some dark spirit?

[slohairt]

Dia Dhuit!

LATTAS You're probably right. You might find it interesting that there is a Lowland Scots surname Latta (also Latto) of unknown etymology. Could be related. Yes, there is a large Norman streak in the Scots. Possibly even more so in the Irish as well. And, most of all, in the English.