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    Troops told: we don’t have enough kilts ... just share

    From the Scottish Sunday Herald


    Troops told: we don’t have enough kilts ... just share

    FIVE THOUSAND soldiers in the controversial Royal Regiment of Scotland are having to share 320 kilts because no kilt-maker has so far been awarded the supply contract.

    A spokesman for the MoD confirmed that Argyll Bagpipes and Kilts was responsible for producing 320 "trial" kilts which are worn by troops during ceremonial or public duties. The kilts have been issued to ensure they are of a good quality and standard before the contract for the full 5000 kilts is given.

    Traditionally, Robert Noble, based in the Borders, has produced military tartan for Scottish regiments since 1850, but the contract was put out to tender earlier this year in a bid to ensure best value for money for taxpayers. This decision raised concerns that the kilts would be made in countries such as China, where materials and labour are much cheaper.

    The contract, worth £1 million, to produce and sew 15,000 metres of fabric is now being drawn up, however, the MoD refused to reveal to whom it will be awarded.

    An MoD spokesman said: "A planned deployment will be agreed with the Royal Regiment of Scotland on a roll-out basis with two battalions of kilts made by May 2007 and the full programme being completed by January 2008."

    Dubbed the new "super regiment", the Royal Regiment of Scotland's formation was met with outrage after Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon announced that the Royal Scots and the King's Own Scottish Borderers were to amalgamate with the Black Watch, the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders, the Royal Highland Fusiliers and the Highlanders in December 2004.

    Thousands of war veterans and campaigners marched through Edinburgh streets in the months after the announcement and submitted a petition to Downing Street in an effort to have the merger stopped. The attempts failed, and in August the Royal Regiment of Scotland was officially formed.

    Campaigners and politicians were disappointed by the latest news. Jeff Duncan, campaign manager of pressure group Reinstate Our Army Regiments (Roar) said the pooling of kilts was an "insult" to Scottish troops.

    "Successive Labour ministers have lied year on year - whether it is availability of body armour, properly insulated aircraft or dysfunctional ammo.

    "Now we have a week which sees Des Brown exposed as lying to the house regarding allowances, and this latest insult to Scottish soldiers - who incidentally perform as Blair's frontline troops in Iraq and Afghanistan - being humiliated to share a few hundred kilts among them. Mr Blair promised they would get whatever was needed - what they need is a change of government."

    Lt Col Willy Macnair, who served in the Queen's Own Highlander regiment, said the situation "shows how badly the amalgamation was thought through".

    "It the kilt is psychologically important for the identity of soldiers. It may mean that some soldiers in this regiment, by the time they leave, may never have worn it."

    Angus Robertson, SNP and Scottish shadow minister for defence and foreign affairs said: "This is yet another example of the MoD mistreating Scottish infantry. Having made the wrong decision to amalgamate the country's infantry regiment out of existence the MoD has shown itself incapable of making the right management for uniforms. This flies in the face of the assurances given at the time of the amalgamation announcement, that tradition would be maintained and the dignity of all units respected.

    "This stands in stark contrast to the gung-ho move store place Trident nuclear weapons, with the expense of a new £25billion nuclearweapons system. Scotland's infantry deserves better than this," he added.

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    Jake
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    Sad is'nt it.

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    Just typical of Blair's Government!!
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    What nonsense!

    What will be next? 'We don't have enough guns, just share...?'

    (later...)

    The answer in fact came in the evening news - 'we don't have enough body armour...'
    Last edited by sjrapid; 18th December 06 at 12:23 PM.

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    Sadly, this is just the beginning of the kilt being phased out as the standard uniform of these troops. Tradition will fall to budget concerns. This kind of thing makes me sick.

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    Unfortunately, this is the reality of the world we live in. Money will always win out over tradition.

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    Its one of the sure signs of the beginnings of the collapse of a civilization, the disrespect of those who defend it. I remember something somewhat similar in the US armed forces when the pentagon decided to thumb its nose at the special forces and ok a beret for all troops to wear, when berets of different colors had been a mark of honor for certain types of troops.

    Then again, maybe I'm just cynical and pessimistic.

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    What I would like to know is how do you get twa blokes into one kilt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbhandy View Post
    What I would like to know is how do you get twa blokes into one kilt?

    MrBill
    As I do the math, it is 15.6 men into one kilt. I wonder how much fabric that used?

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    The nasty bit is that while Argyll Ltd (a very good and able regimental kiltmaker) got the contract the standards for the cloth--- away from Robert Noble and Co weavers (who has made all the tartans for the past 150 years)--- and patterns got downgraded to be cheaper to make and open the field to Asian subcontracts.

    See the debate:
    http://www.publications.parliament.u...t/60327-02.htm

    Lets see... 5000 kilts and a total budget of £1 million. That's £200 (around 300 EURO or just under $400 USD each.
    (clearly NOT possible with the previous multitudes of patterns and grade of cloth and other materials, especially not to the old standard of workmanship).

    But how much is savings on these kilts? Put into the perspective that the Falklands campaign cost £4bn what's £600,000 for the Exchequer to spend for homeland industry and tradition? Not even a farthing in a mountain of sovereigns!

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