Question about weight

**arrogcow** · 22nd December 06, 08:27 AM

Ok, the PV used is 11oz. That seems really light. I'm trying to figure out how that compares to the acrilic SWK uses since I do have a nightstalker (and it really isn't wearable in high wind, even with a pin or below about 45F). So any comments about warmth, hang, anything else relavant would be appreciated.

I do really want an Army tartan (can't wait to use my old unit crest as a kilt pin) especially since the KY tartan is probably going to fall through this time around.

Adam

**mbhandy** · 22nd December 06, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by arrogcow

Ok, the PV used is 11oz. That seems really light. I'm trying to figure out how that compares to the acrilic SWK uses since I do have a nightstalker (and it really isn't wearable in high wind, even with a pin or below about 45F). So any comments about warmth, hang, anything else relavant would be appreciated.
Adam

Adam I wore My Standard SWK Nightstalker out in 9F weather yesterday and i was comfortable:rolleyes: . Of course I had on a polypro top flannel shirt a wool sweater, and a Windbreaker, a wool cap wool gloves kilt wool socks and Sorels. I was toasty.(No wind) I had changed from jeans and my butt was cold when I had on the jeans.

MrBill

**RockyR** · 22nd December 06, 09:41 AM

I'm not sure if the weight is before they put the teflon coating on or after (adds a bit of weight to the material). The PV tartans we get can run the gammet from 10.5 oz to 12 oz. That being said... every time we SPECIAL order a tartan, it's on the "heavier" side.

I can't compare our PV to a SWK Acrylic as I don't own one. What I CAN say is that most customers (can't think of 1 that did, come to think of it) don't complain about the weight that wear our Semi Trad in winter. If you have the "cahones" to wear a kilt in winter, the slight difference in weight should not deter you. Bottom line... A PV Semi Trad IS a little lighter than a 13 oz wool 5 yarder kilt. It's also over $100 cheaper. Only YOU can make the decision if it's for you.

**Riverkilt** · 22nd December 06, 10:02 AM

Don't know if this helps Arrogcow,

Hasn't been an issue for me. The 11 oz PV keeps me warm in cold and windy weather and its cool in hot weather...no clue why, just is.

There's only 5 oz difference between a yard of PV and a yard of 16 oz wool as far as weight, but of course the materials are different.

My USA Kilt casuals are over 4 1/2 yards of material. There is a double layer of material up front with the aprons and a triple layer of material in back where the pleats are. Imagine that helps with the warmth.

Do my PV kilts keep me as warm as my wool kilts in winter? No.

Do my PV kilts keep me warm in winter? Yes.

And, just for clarification, I'm talking about temps down in the 20s and 30s F. Its cold here, but its not as cold as more northern Climes.

Ron

**Colin** · 22nd December 06, 10:44 AM

Rocky, I would assume the semi traditional is warmer than the casual. In my own experience with PV, I found the 8(ish) yards of PV was extremely warm. 4 yarders can be chilly, but the deeper pleats in the higher yardage certainly make a difference.

I have owned an acrylic kilt and several PV kilts and I must say that while the acrylic certainly feels heavier, that the PV seemed warmer. The PV is much more breathable and comfortable.

**Dreadbelly** · 22nd December 06, 10:50 AM

PV is denser fabric with a higher threadcount per inch. It is warmer than acryllic.

This is why I tend to avoid acryllic fibres in my hats and what not that I make. It is a good fabric for wash and wear, but has terrible thermal properties in the cold and feels even hotter in hot weather. I can not wear my stillwaters past the spring here in the Carolinas.

That said, in moderate temps, it is an excellent choice for daily wear.

**RockyR** · 22nd December 06, 12:41 PM

As a point of clarification:

USAK Casuals typically have 4.5 to 5.5 yards in them.
USAK Semi Trads typically have 6 to 7 yards

all yardage for both models depends on waist and sett size

**Andrew Breecher** · 22nd December 06, 01:12 PM

I don't have a SWK so I can't compare it. I have both a 4-yard and an 8-yard PV kilt, and I wear them through Boston winters. I've worn them in -20F weather. Kilts are warm. I don't understand why there are so many threads over and over about this. Kilts are warm. Wear kilts.

Andrew.

**arrogcow** · 22nd December 06, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Andrew Breecher

I don't have a SWK so I can't compare it. I have both a 4-yard and an 8-yard PV kilt, and I wear them through Boston winters. I've worn them in -20F weather. Kilts are warm. I don't understand why there are so many threads over and over about this. Kilts are warm. Wear kilts.

Andrew.

And if you check past forums, I'm one of the guys that says kilts are fine all year round, but it depends on the kilt. My two wool tartan, my lined PK and my two survival UK's I'll wear any temp (actually I don't wear the PK over 50 ). MY SWK is not suitable (IMHO, but milage may varry) at temps below 40. MY UK Spartan goes in the closet once temps are below 60.

The 11oz also was a question. 10 oz wool is only used for dancers kilts, and has been pointed out here many times that it is generally unsuitable for a regular kilt (doesn't swing right, wind blows etc.). But PV is not wool, so I wanted someone to contrast, and also with the acrilic (I know what SWK tartan is like, how does it stack up with the PV - lighter, heavier about the same...)

Thanks
Adam