All a frazzle

**kiltedcossack** · 8th January 07, 08:24 PM

This is me laughing and smiling

If you guys are really interested, Our clan has a tartan and crest, though, again, nothing officially Scottish.
If you are interested, please just email me at my email address, which is listed below (just convert it to the way an email address should look.)
I'll answer any questions, etc. you may have.

Now, if I can just get the Tartan woven and the badge minted, I'll be in good shape.

**michael steinrok** · 8th January 07, 10:41 PM

I'm a chieftain in an Irish clan. There is nothing wrong with your signature. I'll join too! Some people just see things different

**gilmore** · 8th January 07, 11:14 PM

<<<Quote:
Originally Posted by MacWage
It depends on the clan. Most allow into full membership "all interested in the history and heritage of" (or some sort of phrasing) or "all who feel an affinity for" the clan in question. Others have an "associate" membership status for those interested, but not proven relations.

In short, most (all but the most anal retentive, and who wants to be one of them) allow membership of some form or another to ANYONE willing to pay the requested dues.

The Lord Lyon's web site has this very basic statement:

Quote:
Every person who has the same surname as the chief is deemed to be a member of the clan. Equally a person who offers allegiance to the chief is recognised as a member of the clan unless the chief decides that he will not accept that person's allegiance.

-- www.lyon-court.com >>>

Being a "member of a clan," whatever that means in our post-clan, even post-feudal world, is one thing. What does it mean to "offer allegiance" to a clan chief? To offer to bear arms for a clan leader who by law cannot raise an army? Will he support you when you are out of work? Or your family if you are imprisoned for acts of violence committed on his behalf?

Being a member of a clan association is something else and, as MacWage points out varies with the organization. A few are quite restrictive in keeping membership to those born with the clan surname(s). Most will take anyone who pays annual dues, either as full or some kind of associate member.

**beloitpiper** · 8th January 07, 11:14 PM

I'm Scottish, and I think it's a great idea! Not everybody is blessed by God himself to be Scottish (heh, just kidding). I'll have to suggest Clan Storm to some of my non-Scottish kilt wearers.

And if you're looking for a clan, I would strongly suggest the House of Gordon. We would warmly welcome you into the greatest and strongest Scotland has to offer.

I have a question, though, about your badge. What does your motto "I Revenge" mean?

**bubba** · 8th January 07, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by beloitpiper

I have a question, though, about your badge. What does your motto "I Revenge" mean?

Probably " I kick **** and take names later"

**Pour1Malt** · 9th January 07, 01:00 AM

dinnae let the nupties bring ya doon!!

tell this fella that he is a glakit numpty an he shuid get a life!

**David White** · 9th January 07, 03:59 AM

This fella needs to study history.

Lord Lovat, Simon Fraser enlarged his clan by taking in men who changed their name in exchange for food and shelter. They were called "Boll of Meal' Frasers".

Simon, that sly old fox!

**MacWage** · 9th January 07, 05:07 AM

My comments were in relation to a "Clan Association," not as to a clan itself (though many over here see it as the same).

As of now, my only "official" memberships are "Clan MacBubba" and "Clan X Marks the Scot," though "Clan Storm" sounds interesting.
I MAY join one or more of others (associations/societies), but have not yet.

**McMurdo** · 9th January 07, 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by Pour1Malt

dinnae let the nupties bring ya doon!!

tell this fella that he is a glakit numpty an he shuid get a life!

Thats about it right, just tell this numpty that hes a numpty and move on.

**davedove** · 9th January 07, 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by David White

This fella needs to study history.

Lord Lovat, Simon Fraser enlarged his clan by taking in men who changed their name in exchange for food and shelter. They were called "Boll of Meal' Frasers".

Simon, that sly old fox!

Such things happened a lot. Often the way to join a clan was to swear to fight for it. And not all clans had royal lines extending back into the mists of time. Sometimes a clan became powerful because enough men swore loyalty to make it the most powerful.

It's great to be proud of your family name, but don't get so caught up in the romance that you forget the facts.