Rob Roy

[Panache]

I'm so into fencing that I got my PhD (Post-hole Digger)...

You've been hanging around Retro Red haven't you

Cheers

[Woodsheal]

Did anyone else notice that Liam's "great kilt" was actually a "little kilt" with a big, wadded up sash--like thing over the shoulder? He took it off in a couple of scenes, and, as the wearer of a great kilt, I can assure you that I cannot remove the over-ther-should part of the breachen.

Yep, Rob is wearing a feilidh beag, and the "big, wadded up sash-like thing" is simply a shoulder plaid, like this fellow is carrying:

[mudd]

You mean the USS Nimitz didn't REALLY time-warp back to the Battle of Midway??? GASP!

No. That was Pearl Harbor.

[Fearnest]

No. That was Pearl Harbor.

D'oh!!! And I thought my revisionist history was up to date!

[thescot]

Yep, Rob is wearing a feilidh beag, and the "big, wadded up sash-like thing" is simply a shoulder plaid, like this fellow is carrying:

Aye, a feileidh mhor--"big kilt" or great kilt--is one piece of cloth. I don't think ole Rob would have ever heard of a feilich beag in the early 1700s. I don't think they were invented yet.

[Warhoover]

My rewritten ending:
(picking up at death of Wallace)
Scene-> Bruce tells of father
Scene-> Bruce-> "You have bled with Wallace, bleed with me"
Visuals: montage of battles and ambuses
"Robert the Bruce took up Wallace's sword and lead the army. For 7 more long hard years, the Scots fought for their freedom. In the year 1314, the armies of Edward II and The Bruce met on the fields of Bannockburn, just miles from the Bridge of Stirling. Here, in the spirit of Wallace, the Scots won their freedom. (continue as written in the end of Braveheart)

To me THAT would BOTH be more accurate AND more powerful. PLUS, it gives the Bruce his due (rather than charging an unsuspecting army, in a TOTAL slam of the ACTUAL battle)

I agree with you, your adjustment would have made for a more powerful ending and would have generated a bit more interest in what the events your "rewrite" would represent. From the movie standpoint they made it seem like Bannockburn happened not long after Wallace's execution (1305). At least with your ending people who are not versed in the history would have had some understanding of the difference in time and about how they had arrived there. Not to mention the fact that he had already had himself crowned King at Scone on Palm Sunday 1306, though I think the eluded to it by the crown ring on his coif. I guess I was never really "comfortable" with the portrayal of Bruce in this movie, he just didn't sit right with me. Mannerisms maybe, I don't know. He just did not seem like the person I read about.

[Woodsheal]

Aye, a feileidh mhor--"big kilt" or great kilt--is one piece of cloth. I don't think ole Rob would have ever heard of a feilich beag in the early 1700s. I don't think they were invented yet.

That's a matter of great debate! Peter MacDonald, the costume consultant on the film, believes the philabeg dates to the late 1600's, NOT to an English "inventor" in the 1720's (as do others)....

Here's Peter's website: http://www.scottishtartans.co.uk/

[macwilkin]

I guess I was never really "comfortable" with the portrayal of Bruce in this movie, he just didn't sit right with me. Mannerisms maybe, I don't know. He just did not seem like the person I read about.

The portrayal of the Bruce in Braveheart was one of the few things I was comfortable with about the movie, because they showed him as he was; Most forget (or were unaware of) that Bruce sided with the English when it suited him, and was not the "super-nationalist" that myth portrays him today.

T.

[Mike1]

Most forget (or were unaware of) that Bruce sided with the English when it suited him, and was not the "super-nationalist" that myth portrays him today.

Shhhh, we're not meant to talk about that particular lump under the carpet. He meant to have butter on his bread and if the butter had to come from Lunduntoon, so be it. Actually, the way Edward I was willing to give away properties and estates, the Bruce was not the only one dancing on a fine line.

Interesting that the 6th Earl of Mar will always be known as "Bobbing" John Erskine, yet the Bruce's own swaying is usually over-looked.

[cacunn]

I should be remembered that it is difficult to get multiple years of events into a play about an hour and half long. Even if the desire is to be as accurate as possible that is like like me at 300 pound trying to get in to a size 28 kilt. Then there is the problem of the actual purpose of making the movie $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. As was said there is no reason to let historical accuracy get in the way of profit.

When you watch a movie sit down suppend reality and enjoy, you are there to be entertained not to learn.