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12th February 07, 09:14 AM
#11
Londonderry had a large Jewish population....one of my G to the nth power Grandmothers was one of them....nice tartan for Londonderry.
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12th February 07, 11:01 AM
#12
Originally Posted by Nanook
Would this be Leopard spots on black velvet with gold lame’ strips. Pleated so the gold strips flashes as he walks?
Sorry to many years in Memphis.
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12th February 07, 11:04 AM
#13
Originally Posted by Nanook
There are several. Tartans, however, were not born in Scotland (neither was the bagpipe which some scholars have even suggested was brought by Jewish traders) and have an older history than the current modern approach to them as clan or family uniforms. The fringes on the Scottish plaid are..
While the first official records of Jews in Scotland date from the 17th century, Jews have been trading with and living among the lands much longer. There is much speculation, for instance, that the Gordon clan (among several others) were originally Jewish traders (גורדון) under the Norman migration. Current genetic research (still in its infancy) seems to support many of these theories that just a few years ago were considered wild and wacky.
Speaking of wacky tartans? Why not an Elvis Presley tartan--- Jewish, American and of Scottish ancestry? :-)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/3614857.stm
Hey, Nanook. Interesting post. Is there any materials on the net about the Gordon theory, or early Jewish settlers in Scotland? Also, I'm confused Elvis =Jewish?
Originally Posted by RockyR
A good friend of ours is a jewish guy who doesn't own a kilt, but does go out to Celtic festivals and hangs out with us. Ever since he saw Utilikilts at a festival, he said he'd wear a kilt if we made him a "jew-tilikilt".
I know of quite a few Jewish UK wearers who participate on the UK board. Definitely an untapped market for a new heritage tartan. I am sure we could come up with an appropriate color scheme.
Best regards,
Jake
[B]Less talk, more monkey![/B]
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12th February 07, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Monkey@Arms
I know of quite a few Jewish UK wearers who participate on the UK board. Definitely an untapped market for a new heritage tartan. I am sure we could come up with an appropriate color scheme.
Hmm, color scheme for a Jewish Tartan. White for the lamb's wool of traditional sacrifices, black for the captivity in Egypt and the Holocaust, red for the blood on the door posts at passover, brown for the sands of the desert wilderness they wandered in for 40 years, and gold for the menorah at Chanukah?
A quick trip to House of Tartan's interactive weaver and I came up with this:
Edit- The wide red stripe should be brown!
Hey, I got the clickable thing right. DISCLAIMER: I am not an expert tartan designer nor expert on Jewish history and culture. The colors selected were just what immediately sprang to mind.
Last edited by Erisianmonkey; 12th February 07 at 12:12 PM.
Reason: Makning note on a mistake (well, kinda)
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12th February 07, 12:12 PM
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My memory cells have dust on them, but thought there was a similar thread a year or so ago. Jist of it was a blue and white tartan to incorporate the colors of the flag of Isreal...? A makeshift effort to be sure, but might be more on that thread if anyone could (apologies) ressurect it.
Ron
Ol' Macdonald himself, a proud son of Skye and Cape Breton Island
Lifetime Member STA. Two time winner of Utilikiltarian of the Month.
"I'll have a kilt please, a nice hand sewn tartan, 16 ounce Strome. Oh, and a sporran on the side, with a strap please."
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12th February 07, 12:15 PM
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Interesting that there was a Jewish brigade formed for WW I by the British army. Interesting article here: http://www.answers.com/topic/jewish-legion
You can get a really nice rabbi chaplain's badge here: http://cgi.ebay.com/Jewish-rabbi-cha...QQcmdZViewItem
And I would kind of like having a kilt in that tartan Erisianmonkey came up with. It looks great.
Added: Here's a cap badge from the Jewish regiment. Purportedly original. http://cgi.ebay.com/JEWISH-REG-CAP-B...QQcmdZViewItem
Last edited by thescot; 12th February 07 at 01:56 PM.
Reason: addition
Jim Killman
Writer, Philosopher, Teacher of English and Math, Soldier of Fortune, Bon Vivant, Heart Transplant Recipient, Knight of St. Andrew (among other knighthoods)
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12th February 07, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverkilt
My memory cells have dust on them, but thought there was a similar thread a year or so ago. Jist of it was a blue and white tartan to incorporate the colors of the flag of Isreal...? A makeshift effort to be sure, but might be more on that thread if anyone could (apologies) ressurect it.
Ron
Nice looking tartan, but I agree a Jewish heritage tartan would need some blue and white. Ron, the last time it came up that I can recall was in a thread by Kiltedcossak, but we didn't get too far that time either.
Best regards,
Jake
[B]Less talk, more monkey![/B]
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12th February 07, 02:26 PM
#18
Originally Posted by Monkey@Arms
Hey, Nanook. Interesting post. Is there any materials on the net about the Gordon theory, or early Jewish settlers in Scotland?
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/.../Scotland.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Gordon
And for the out and beyond:
http://www.mcfarlandpub.com/book-2.p...=0-7864-2800-7
http://dnaconsultants.com/Detailed/109.html
Also, I'm confused Elvis =Jewish?
He was a Jew. http://www.elvispresleynews.com/JewishElvis.html
He might have been raised more as a Christian and not openly (I actually met Elvis a few times but that's another set of stories) Jewish but according to Halacha (Jewish law) he was a Jew.
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12th February 07, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Erisianmonkey
brown for the sands of the desert wilderness
Unless one was a follower of Jabotinsky brown is not a good colour.
gold for the menorah at Chanukah?
Chanukias are traditionally not gold.
How about black and white stripes as in the most popular pattern for Tallit Gadol? :-)
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12th February 07, 02:53 PM
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Thanks again, Nanook.
As Spock would say: Fascinating.
Best regards,
Jake
[B]Less talk, more monkey![/B]
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