Where to wear the Glengarry??

[Caradoc]

Maybe they are all visiting Jews or Muslims?

No, these would be somewhat distant relatives of mine - who would mostly likely be offended at the suggestion that they might be Jews or Muslims.

They don't take off their hats because they're rudeniks, as evidenced by other behavior during the wedding, the reception, and the drunken brawl afterward.

Failing to uncover indoors was merely one indicator.

Now, as I understand it, there are some social conventions that vary between the UK and the US. Here in the US, it's just generally polite to remove your hat when indoors. In the UK, there's a whole set of social conventions to cover who *must* remove their hat, who *should* remove their hat, and who can ignore everyone else with impunity.

"Moving parts in rubbing contact require lubrication to avoid excessive wear. Honorifics and formal politeness provide lubrication where people rub together. Often the very young, the untravelled, the naive, the unsophisticated deplore these formalities as empty, meaningless, or dishonest, and scorn to use them. No matter how pure their motives, they thereby throw sand into the machinery that does not work too well at best."

-- Robert A. Heinlein

[Livingston]

I think you're all missing the point.....you wear it on your head It does not work that well as gloves, shoes etc.

[Fearnest]

Thanks, Livingston!

GENTLEMEN, GENTLEMEN... please remember the topic of the thread is "Where to wear the Glengarry" not an history of the origins of headwear and their particular impact on one or more groups of religious observants!

It was a simple request for advice, and I think we've gone pretty far afield now.

[gilmore]

[QUOTE=Nanook;355551]For one a couple of don'ts:

[LIST][*]Don't, as a general rule, wear dicing. Its widely considered uncivil. In much of the U.S. its probably fine since there are few associations with dicing.[LIST]

What is the significance of dicing in the UK?

[LIST][*]Watch out on which side the Glengarry is titlted (if at all) on the head since in some quarters (again to be probably ignored in the U.S.) it has political significance.
[LIST]

What is that politcal significance?

Thanks in advance for answering.

[macwilkin]

[QUOTE=gilmore;355657]

For one a couple of don'ts:

[LIST][*]Don't, as a general rule, wear dicing. Its widely considered uncivil. In much of the U.S. its probably fine since there are few associations with dicing.[LIST]

What is the significance of dicing in the UK?

[LIST][*]Watch out on which side the Glengarry is titlted (if at all) on the head since in some quarters (again to be probably ignored in the U.S.) it has political significance.
[LIST]

What is that politcal significance?

Thanks in advance for answering.

Supposedly dicing signifies loyalty to the British Crown. It's a common legend that I've read everywhere on the Internet, but I've yet to see any real documentation for. I asked a friend of mine who was from Scotland and served in the Royal Scots, and he said he had never heard of any negative connotations with dicing before.

Regards,

Todd

[PiobBear]

does the wearing of a Beret follow similar rules as wearing a Glengarry?
I'm thinking a Beret with my clan crest pin in place of the flash would look quite sharp.

As far as "rules", a beret is a hat just as much as a glen; as a matter of common courtesy and respect to your host, uncovering indoors is the only "rule" I can think of (I can provide several references to support the idea that this is a cultural norm in English-speaking societies; I'd dearly love to see a citation to support the notion that "The predicates were not to be applied in intersection but as modalities", et al.).
On the other hand, I think that balmorals or tams shape and look a bit better, as they have quite a bit more cloth than berets, but then the folks I know who wear berets are in the habit of soaking them in boiling water and wearing them until dry, so they shrink up quite a bit. Also, if you're shooting for a less "military" look than the glengarry, keep in mind that the only people outside of France who wear berets are military.
Besides that, berets aren't traditionally Scottish or Irish; they're French. If you're looking for a traditional bonnet; a tam, balmoral or caubeen would probably serve you better.

[PiobBear]

Actually, it just occurred to me that there is at least one other rule; don't wear feathers in your bonnet. One connotes an armiger (a gentleman with a Royal grant of arms), two a chieftain, and three a clan chief. This is not mere social convention, but dictates from the Lord Lyon of Scotland.

[cherokeesix]

Gentlemen, Thank you again for the spirited conversation on this topic. I was merely looking for advice from the learned on this site on where I should or should not wear the glengarry. I do thank you all for your input but I think I opened a can of worms inadvertently. I admire and respect each and every one of your responses but it seems that there is no "Rule of Thumb" where I should or shouldn't wear the cover. I sincerely hope no feelings have been harmed due to this thread. I understand now that it is a matter of choice and can respect that. I am a Kilted Newbie and will try my best to glean from you all what I should and shouldn't do whilst kilted. This one seems to be very open ended and should be left to personal feelings and ideals.

Patrick (Kilted and Covered)

[gilmore]

Actually, it just occurred to me that there is at least one other rule; don't wear feathers in your bonnet. One connotes an armiger (a gentleman with a Royal grant of arms), two a chieftain, and three a clan chief. This is not mere social convention, but dictates from the Lord Lyon of Scotland.

Take a look at the pics in the links in my post above of Tartan Army guys. Many have more in their glengarries that Lyon would allow for the sovereign. Wearing feathers is very much a social convention it seems.

[Panache]

Gentlemen, Thank you again for the spirited conversation on this topic. I was merely looking for advice from the learned on this site on where I should or should not wear the glengarry. I do thank you all for your input but I think I opened a can of worms inadvertently. I admire and respect each and every one of your responses but it seems that there is no "Rule of Thumb" where I should or shouldn't wear the cover. I sincerely hope no feelings have been harmed due to this thread. I understand now that it is a matter of choice and can respect that. I am a Kilted Newbie and will try my best to glean from you all what I should and shouldn't do whilst kilted. This one seems to be very open ended and should be left to personal feelings and ideals.

Patrick (Kilted and Covered)

Patrick,

You may be a Kilted Newbie but that was well said!

Enjoy your glengarry wherever you choose to wear it.

Cheers

Jamie

(Says Panache, tipping his plumed hat)