Tie with Prince Charlie

[BEEDEE]

yeah the bride want go for the bow tie. here is an example of what i'm talking about...rollover image 8 and notice the low vest with the ties. Is that a normal 3 button vest??? http://www.kiltsforhire.com/

BTW - I got my tank from them. Ken Macdonald provides outstanding service if you are looking to buy your outfit from him.

Brian

[McMurdo]

see this link...and roll over image 8 to see what i'm referring to...i like the look and the bride will not go for the bowtie....http://www.kiltsforhire.com/

The main picture is an Argyle jacket, hence he is wearing a 5 button waistcoat



These are PC's most have 3 button waistcoats, one is a 5 button, or Argyle waistcoat, and the green one is an Argyle.



You could go for an Argyle if you want the 5 button waistcoat, and cravat.

[Shane]

While I have great respect for the traditional way in which a Prince Charlie is worn, I have seen the 5 button vest/ruche tie combo popping up more and more and I REALLY like it.

Here's a good example:

http://www.highlandstore.com/acatalo...t__Outfit.html

To me it works great for a black tie alternative. It's a fine blending of traditional and modern styles.

Just my two cents.

Shane

[beloitpiper]

jsethmccall, here's how it is usually done:

An Argyll jacket has a 5-button waistcoat and is worn with a neck tie. This is considered a "less formal" jacket, although I think it looks pretty sharp.

A Price Charlie jacket has a 3-button waistcoat and is worn with a bow tie. This is considered the tuxedo for kilts.

Mix and match if you want. It is your wedding. This is just how it traditionally is done.

[McClef]

McClef could you provide a picture of a scrunchie cravat?

I don't have any decent pics of me modelling one but here is one I won on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=300013302757

And having trawled through my files here is a pic of me wearing it at a Ceilidh:



Best I can do at short notice! (Andrew had a scrunchie on too but the angle is wrong).

[M. A. C. Newsome]

I see lots of pics of guys wearing a PC jacket and 3-button vest with a standard neck tie. So it is done. But it's just wrong, fashion-wise.

The Prince Charlie jacket and vest are for black-tie affairs. The cut and style of the jacket require a level of formality that the standard long neck tie just does not carry with it.

Now, I think that an elegant cravat, like McClef is weariing in the post above looks alright, because the cravat, though it resembles a neck tie, carries with it a higher level of formality. So I think that works.

But a normal neck tie is just out. Sure, people do it, and if you do it no one will probably complain. But something more formal will just look so much better.

You also see people wearing a formal kilt belt with a Prince Charlie and vest, and even sometimes with an Argyle and 5-button vest. This is another example of people commonly wearing something that is incorrect (again, speaking of fashion). The vest and the belt conflict with each other, with the vest typically covering the top half of the belt. To me, it says, "I have all these Scottish accessories and I'm going to wear them all, gosh darn it!"

Any time you wear a vest, leave the belt at home.

This thread is also the first time I've seen the PC jacket being worn with a 5-button Argyle style vest. I don't think it looks bad, just a bit unusual. I think that look would work best with a cravat of some sort, so maintain the level of formality that a PC is cut for.

Aye,
Matt

[cacunn]

I realize that I am fashion challenged but to me a scrunchie cravat looks like a 1950’s wide tie, tied with a large knot. I can easily understand why someone might confuse a scrunchie cravat with a tie.

It would not surprise me to find out that a scrunchie cravat was the transition between cravat and modern tie.

But I do like the look of a scrunchie cravat as a variation on a bow tie for formal look. My barley and hops enhanced waist line is joined by extra chins. On me a bow tie is often lost in one of the extra chins especially if I let my beard grow a little longer than normal.

I hate fashions that were designed for a person standing 5 foot 6 inches and weights 120 pounds.

[cacunn]

I
The vest and the belt conflict with each other, with the vest typically covering the top half of the belt. To me, it says, "I have all these Scottish accessories and I'm going to wear them all, gosh darn it!"

Any time you wear a vest, leave the belt at home.

Aye,
Matt

This confuse me a little in that it appears that most kilt vests are cut a little high and with front edges spreading open to show the belt buckle. I can see some confusion caused by this spread and the non-kilted almost always wearing a belt with pants, especially when many of the hire sites and vendors show a belt worn with a PC & vest.

I guess I'll learn in another 50-60 years.

[jsethmccall]

I had planned to wear the ruche tie/scrunchie cravat b/c it will be easier to match some of other members of my wedding party who will not be wearing kilts. The bride doesn't mind the look of the kilted in a bowtie, its the other groomsmen with tuxs and bowties that she thinks look like waiters. I'm hoping to go with the cravat. Thanks!

[cavscout]

One thing I've noticed is there are BIG bow ties and little bow ties. Formal shops usually provide BIG bow ties. Skip those and buy the little ones and it will look much better. Or tell the formal shop to get little ones for you.

I'm torn though, cause I like the look of a long tie in a PC on certain people. Some guys can pull it off while it looks cheesy on others. I don't think I'm one of the ones who can pull it off though

Here's a look I think looks awesome for a wedding and if I could go back and do it again, this is what I'd wear