Church Tartans

[cwr89]

Thanks for all the suggestions. I don't know how renaming the church would work. My mom is a Decan and I am on the youth leadership team as well as audio video teams. problem with it is, I know how these major changes work in presbyterian church, its the congregational vote (if it passes through the elders and all that) and my Crestview is about 700 members strong.

but it was a great thought! ;)

~Casey

[Cawdorian]

I hadn't thought about the the Ulster tartan, It would be very appropriate for a Presbyterian. It is a beautiful tartan. You can see pictures of it at www.albanach.org.

[Fedgunner]

Other appropriate tartans for a Presbyterian Church:

St. Columba
Holyrood
St. Andrew's

Douglas -- in honour of the Cameronian Regiment, originally raised from Covenanting Presbyterians
Hamilton -- in honour of Scottish Protestant martyr Patrick Hamilton
Ulster -- in honour of the Ulster-Scots, many of whom were Presbyterians

Yours aye,

Todd*

*who was born & raised Presbyterian, from a long line of Presbyterians, but who is now an Episcopalian.

Wasn't Holyrood the first catholic abbey founded in Scotland?

[fluter]

Thanks!

now, is there a way to get a less expensive bolt of Clergy tartan ...
I really don't know where to look for tartan fabric.

I'd ask a kilt maker. USA Kilts has the Clark tartan, presumably in poly/rayon.

Whoops this from the Kiltstore tartan finder: Presbyterian Synod (US) Modern copyright material, not available for purchase. I don't know whether that connects to any of the Presbyterians which whom I'm acquainted (PCUSA, ARP).
http://kiltstore.net/tartan/Presbyte...ern/68577.html

I saw a tartan I'd not seen before, listed as Methodist Church Modern. Could that be the one Matt referred to?
http://kiltstore.net/tartan/Methodis...ern/67881.html

[Cawdorian]

I am wondering how old the Presbyterian (US) tartan is I didn't see a copyright date. The US branch of the church is an older branch of the church that joined with several other branches of the church in a merger that formed the PCUSA as we know it today. The merger happened over twenty years ago.

Thanks for the info Fluter, I can add this one to my list of tartans.

[Ozman1944]

Yep. Holyrood Abbey was established by King David I in 1128.
St. Ninian had established a Catholic Mission in Scotland in about 425 a.d. They've been there ever since.
After John Knox (Presb. founder) in the lat 16th cent. there was no 'Reformation' in regard to clothing. "Priest/Cleric/Clerk/Clark" was worn by all Clergy, regardless of Denomination, the same applied to the Laity. Catholics & the new Protestant groups continued to dress alike. So I reckon, a group can pretty much adopt any Tartan that has meaning for them.

[M. A. C. Newsome]

Yep. Holyrood Abbey was established by King David I in 1128.
St. Ninian had established a Catholic Mission in Scotland in about 425 a.d. They've been there ever since.
After John Knox (Presb. founder) in the lat 16th cent. there was no 'Reformation' in regard to clothing. "Priest/Cleric/Clerk/Clark" was worn by all Clergy, regardless of Denomination, the same applied to the Laity. Catholics & the new Protestant groups continued to dress alike. So I reckon, a group can pretty much adopt any Tartan that has meaning for them.

The above could be read to imply that the Clergy tartan was being worn during John Knox's day, so I just wanted to post to clarify that the earliest actual evidence we have of a "clergy" tartan is c. 1830.
See:
http://albanach.org/clergy_tartan.htm

Aye,
Matt

[macwilkin]

To echo Matt's comments, see my earlier post in this thread:

Well...not exactly. There are a lot of myths associated with this tartan.

Lowland Presbyterians generally didn't embrace anything associated with the Highlanders, who were largely Roman Catholic or Episcopalian.

If you read Matt's article above, you'll find that the clergy tartan dates to the 1830's at the earliest. It's worth the read.

T.

[ScottEPooh]

So, is the Clark tartan somewhat "interchangeable" with a clergy tartan? Sorry if that's worded badly, but I wasn't sure how else to word it....

[gilmore]

There is a website for kilted clergy here: http://www.clergytartan.com/