Four-yard, box pleated kilts

**Don Patrick** · 21st June 07, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by David White

Thanks Don,
I had the clothe done by Peter MacDonald.

Its an early 1804-6 variant of the Lamont.

You will be very happy with any Lamont.

David,

Which is the closest version of the Lamont Tartan is that you are wearing? Ancient, modern, etc?

**David White** · 22nd June 07, 03:45 AM

The shades/colors in my clothe are alittle different than most I believe.

Matt may be able to clue us in, my guess in modern???

**M. A. C. Newsome** · 22nd June 07, 04:08 AM

David,

Since you had your cloth woven by Peter MacDonald, I would assume he had the cloth woven in Wilsons of Bannockburn colors. (Wilsons was a weaving firm that started around 1765 that developed standardized colors for their cloth sometime during the last quarter of the eighteenth century -- Peter MacDonald has done extensive research into this firm and has recreated their colors).

The colors are typically a bit softer than our so-called "modern" colors, but not nearly as light as our "ancient" colors. I think if someone were looking for something close to these shades off the shelf, the "muted" colors from House of Edgar come closest. Although Strathmore is offering four tartans in 13 oz weight in Wilson of Bannockburn colors. See:
http://giftshop.scottishtartans.org/historic.htm

Also, if anyone wants their tartan woven in Wilson's colors, I can have those custom woven for them (the cost of a box pleated kilt made from custom woven cloth is $480 for the average sized gent).

Aye,
Matt

**Cawdorian** · 22nd June 07, 05:51 AM

Thie kilt I am wearing in this picture is in 16 oz Ancient Lamont tartan by Lochcarron, the kilt is not a box pleat, but I did buy it from Matt at the museum. It is a little lighter in color than the tartan in David's kilt.

**Don Patrick** · 22nd June 07, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by Cawdorian

Thie kilt I am wearing in this picture is in 16 oz Ancient Lamont tartan by Lochcarron, the kilt is not a box pleat, but I did buy it from Matt at the museum. It is a little lighter in color than the tartan in David's kilt.

Jim,

I'm working up an order with Matt. Looks like I'll be getting the Lamont Ancient 16 oz as well. I really like David's kilt, but It is a bit too pricey at the moment. The 'muted' color version is also very nice, but it comes in 13 oz.

If you had it to do over, Jim, would you have stayed with the Ancient or gone with the Modern?

**Don Patrick** · 22nd June 07, 07:20 AM

Matt,

Other than color, is there an significance between one wearing the Ancient versus the Modern?

**MacWage** · 22nd June 07, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by Don Patrick

Matt,

Other than color, is there an significance between one wearing the Ancient versus the Modern?

Not Matt, but . . .
The ONLY difference IS the color. The "ancient" is essentially a pre-faded version of modern. The result is a "brighter" tartan in the same pattern.

**Tattoo Bradley** · 22nd June 07, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by MacWage

Not Matt, but . . .
The ONLY difference IS the color. The "ancient" is essentially a pre-faded version of modern. The result is a "brighter" tartan in the same pattern.

Hit it right on the head. You'll be wearing the exact same tartan, representing the exact same clan. It's simply a matter of the shade. "Pre-faded" is a good description I think.

**Cawdorian** · 22nd June 07, 08:57 AM

My personal preference is the Ancient Lamont pattern, IMHO some of the modern tartans are too dark and do not shown the pattern and colors very well.

An individuals choice of the Ancient or Modern patterns of a tartan is a matter of personal choice. The tartans produced by various mills differ some in color.