Hollow Victory

[Rigged]

I think you're dealing with people who still think a man in a kilt is a crossdresser in a skirt. I run into that a lot and it's dissappointing coming from people you think should know better.

You look great in your kilt outfits, and a lot better than many people I've seen who come to work looking like they just fell out of bed.

[James MacMillan]

Ron – I only joined the group a while back, but I took the time to review the posts, and my feelings are: “you’re getting the raw end of this deal.”

I was raised in Tempe Arizona and spent three years with an aunt in Towaoc Colorado, and I think what you say about the Diné is right on! I wasn’t kilted in my youth, but have been back to visit childhood friends several times since my conversion from the dark side, and I have found my reception among the people to have been drastically improved when I wear a kilt. We seen to connect much easier. I find that there is no real need to start mentioning family and friends to a new acquaintance on first introductions as there was in the past.

I would explore that aspect of the kilt.

After all, just how many people feel threatened from a man in a kilt?

Keep up the fight, but don’t get fired…….. See my quote below!

[Graham]

What a story, thanks for sharing, makes me really glad I'm self-employed!!
You put a lot of work into your submission, what a shame it wasn't given the attention it deserves.
Still, you know your own heart, your own sincerity, that must be a comfort.

[Alan H]

How about wearing a kilt to work, say...two days a week and trousers the rest of the time/ You know, show that you like them, but that you're not trying to make the Kilt thing into a war. By sometimes wearing kilts na dsometimes not, you're

STILL getting to wear a kilt, but

....kind of downplaying the whole thing. Think of it as a compromise.

[Mr. Kilt]

LOL, that's hilarious but also permission. To continue wearing trousers after gaining permission (albeit offhanded) to wear kilts would infer that you are not that serious in your conviction. At least it seems that way to me.

I have to agree with this. As odd a permission as it is, it should still cover you.

[cessna152towser]

Thanks for the update, Ron. The reply may seem informal and abrupt but as you said the "grievance" procedure is intended to be informal so the inference would seem to be that the CEO won't make a further issue of it if you choose to revert to wearing your kilts.

[Perldog007]

I think you're dealing with people who still think a man in a kilt is a crossdresser in a skirt.

In my limited personal experience in such matters, the man in a skirt being told that he can't be who he is scares H.R. much more than the Scottish/Celtic heritage thing does.

Least ways it does around here.

Everybody has to do what they think is right, and all that do have my respect. Ron has shown patience and class where I may not have been able to do so.

[timber]

How about wearing a kilt to work, say...two days a week and trousers the rest of the time/ You know, show that you like them, but that you're not trying to make the Kilt thing into a war. By sometimes wearing kilts na dsometimes not, you're

STILL getting to wear a kilt, but

....kind of downplaying the whole thing. Think of it as a compromise.

I was thinking along the same lines. Wear a kilt sometimes, trousers other times, and they will hopefully begin to understand that it is not an attention-seeking thing, but just your preferred way of life.

[mbhandy]

Hi Ron,
Are you kilted today?
I am wondering if it is the CEO or his wife?

MrBill

[BEEDEE]

Ron - management can be really short sighted sometimes and fixated on control. Your story reminds me of an experience I once had when the company I worked for built a new facility in NC to get to a 'right to work' state and break from the teamsters in CA. I went through the start up when we dressed casually until one day, about three months after the start up my boss called me in and told me he wanted me to start wearing a tie. Now this was a facility where we wore lab coats all day and uniforms if involved directly with manufacturing.

My first approach was to suggest that since we had made title distinctions that blurred management and hourly employees that wearing a 'badge of rank' was not the best way to go. That fell on deaf ears, as did an appeal that since we did not have a dress code for female managers that I was being discriminated against.

Looks like you have made much more progress than I ever did - so keep up the good work.

Brian