Septs and Associated Families

**keltic falcon** · 25th August 07, 06:10 PM

Hi there, yes you can wear the clan murry tartan, asept name is a family name which has married into a clan.

I hope this helps

**Bryan** · 25th August 07, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by keltic falcon

Hi there, yes you can wear the clan murry tartan, asept name is a family name which has married into a clan.

I hope this helps

The problem is, Butters is not a sept of the Clan, just listed as "an associated family." This is all too confusing.

BTW, thanks for the reply.

**sirdaniel1975** · 25th August 07, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Bryan

The problem is, Butters is not a sept of the Clan, just listed as "an associated family." This is all too confusing.

BTW, thanks for the reply.

There are several ways that family names are associated to clans. Some are by location, they paid rent for the land they lived on. Another popular scenario is protection reasons, which is related to the whole location possibility.

Do more research on your name and the Clan Murray, and you might find your answer.

**Bryan** · 25th August 07, 08:06 PM

Everything I've read just says they are a family associated with the clan, so in my mind, that means there's a connection. Then I found this:

"The Butters or Buttars of Gormack (just east of Dunkeld) in Perthshire and later Pitlochry and Kinnaird (and later also Faskally) in Atholl appear as landowners in the area as early as 1331, when Adam Butir is on record, and in 1360 William Butyr and Patrick Butirr are mentioned as collectors of contributions in Gowrie (Perthshire). Their name apparently refers to the practice of archery, which is performed at the butts, that is, at the target range (the crest of the Butter arms is comprised of two hands holding a drawn bow and arrow). Between 1432 and 1444, Finlay and Patrick Butter served on inquests with other local lairds (landowners) such as Sir David Murray of Tullibardine and Malcolm Drummond of Stobhall, Patrick Rattray of that Ilk, Finlay Ramsay of Bamff and Malcolm Moncreiffe of that Ilk. The Butters were followers of the House of Atholl (see Murray)."

This is pertinent because my family are Butters and I'm trying to make a connection to a clan, this being Murray of Atholl.