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2nd September 07, 10:42 PM
#1
The original Star Trek would dust everybody. First the principle of low-tech victory, the message of Star Wars, originated in the first series. Second, the original Kirk crew survived everything without Borg alliances and psychics. Third, they had an inexhaustible supply of unnamed Red Shirts as cannon fodder. Fourth, the wholistic structure of male and female leadership, that evolved to the emotional Kirk and the rational Spock is an unconquerable force. Fifth, considering what he had to deal with, Scotty could make anything run. Sixth, Kirk, get it? God was with them. Seventh, Kirk (huh huh?), Scotty (huh, huh?), bagpipes (huh, huh?), it was a Scottish voyage. They were looking for worse weather over there. What other nation/planet can top that?
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3rd September 07, 05:30 AM
#2
I agree with Archangel. The Old Enterprise could take all comers. Planet killer? Ram a starship down its throat. Living brains? Out game the gamesters. Giant spaceborne ameoba? Piece of cake!
And I'm sure Kirk would be smart enough to swing around to the other side of the Death Star. The one without the Death Ray. Admiral Akbar, on the other hand...
As for Jedi v. Federation, well, one would think they'd be on the same side, right? Of course, if it came down to it I'd like to see a Jedi try to bounce back a phaser beam set on wide!
Yes, my favorite is Star Trek, but I like Star Wars, too. X vs. Y can be fun, but some people take it way to seriously. Both are good! And there will never, never be a movie crossover, so we'll never really know.
An uair a théid an gobhainn air bhathal 'se is feàrr a bhi réidh ris.
(When the smith gets wildly excited, 'tis best to agree with him.)
Kiltio Ergo Sum.
I Kilt, therefore I am. -McClef
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3rd September 07, 07:38 AM
#3
I'm a Babylon 5 fan and in my opinion...
A Vorlon Planet Killer wins over the Death Star
A White Star takes out the Millenium Falcon
An Omega Class Destroyer Battle group (with a Warlock class flag ship) beats a fleet of Star Destroyers (with Super Star Destroyer flag ship)
The Excalibur takes out the Enterprise D with one shot
However Archangel was completely right noting that all bets are off with the original Enterprise. For they had the almighty "Kirk Factor" with them.
Against the Kirk Factor it doesn't matter how much advanced technology you have. It won't help if you have superior numbers. He may get a little mussed up (small drip of blood on side of mouth, smudge of dirt on nose, shirt sleeve seam ripped, and hair tossled) but...
He will out think you!
He will out fight you!
He will move you to tears with his manly compassion!
His eloquence will give you pause!
He will sleep with your attractive females clad in their silver Go Go boots!
He is KIRK! And like the Tick, he is nigh invulnerable! 
Cheers
Jamie
Last edited by Panache; 3rd September 07 at 08:20 AM.
Reason: The tick is Nigh invulnerable, not invincible
-See it there, a white plume
Over the battle - A diamond in the ash
Of the ultimate combustion-My panache
Edmond Rostand
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3rd September 07, 08:17 AM
#4
 Originally Posted by Panache
I'm a Babylon 5 fan and in my opinion...
However Archangel was completely right noting that all bets are off with the original Enterprise. For they had the almighty "Kirk Factor" with them.
Jamie
Okay Geeks, Was not the original Enterpise not of a later generation than all the other trek franchises? Would it not be a more powerful weapon through evolving technologies?
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3rd September 07, 08:48 AM
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hmph...Humans, always limiting yourselves to wimpy Feddie Ships!!!
NOW...K'Tinga would slaughter the Mil. Falcon
Birds of Prey, even the smaller B'Rel class, would stomp an X-wing. The larger K'vort class would also smoke the Falcon and any slaves.
Vor'Cha...those big triangle ships in SW...yeah...there gone. Oh, and the Narn and Centari...targets!!!
NegH'Var...well, there is no competition for that, although the Vorlons would be a nice match.
Remember, we allowed the Federation to join in our victory over the Dominion.
Klingons Rule...Humans Drool...Vulcans go to Pre-School
"A sharp knife is nothing without a sharp eye"
-Koloth
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3rd September 07, 08:53 AM
#6
 Originally Posted by kallen
hmph...Humans, always limiting yourselves to wimpy Feddie Ships!!!
NOW...K'Tinga would slaughter the Mil. Falcon
Birds of Prey, even the smaller B'Rel class, would stomp an X-wing. The larger K'vort class would also smoke the Falcon and any slaves.
Vor'Cha...those big triangle ships in SW...yeah...there gone. Oh, and the Narn and Centari...targets!!!
NegH'Var...well, there is no competition for that, although the Vorlons would be a nice match.
Remember, we allowed the Federation to join in our victory over the Dominion.
Klingons Rule...Humans Drool...Vulcans go to Pre-School
Anyone wanna guess WHICH race/culture/species he favors?
Swifers?
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3rd September 07, 09:09 AM
#7
 Originally Posted by Panache
However Archangel was completely right noting that all bets are off with the original Enterprise. For they had the almighty "Kirk Factor" with them.
Cheers
Jamie
So you're basicly saying that the battle is won by over-acting?
Dee
Ferret ad astra virtus
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3rd September 07, 02:21 PM
#8
 Originally Posted by kallen
...NegH'Var...well, there is no competition for that, although the Vorlons would be a nice match.
I looked up the NegH'Var, very impressive. Certainly more than a match against the best the Centauri or Earth Alliance ships (Narn ships while rather advanced looking are actually not as powerful as Centauri or the EA vessels). However I imagine that any of the very large Minbari Capital ships would be a fairly even match. But no comparrison to either the Capital ships of the Vorlon or Shadows.
Cheers
Jamie
-See it there, a white plume
Over the battle - A diamond in the ash
Of the ultimate combustion-My panache
Edmond Rostand
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3rd September 07, 04:33 PM
#9
 Originally Posted by kallen
NOW...K'Tinga would slaughter the Mil. Falcon
Birds of Prey, even the smaller B'Rel class, would stomp an X-wing. The larger K'vort class would also smoke the Falcon and any slaves.
Vor'Cha...those big triangle ships in SW...yeah...there gone. Oh, and the Narn and Centari...targets!!!
NegH'Var...well, there is no competition for that, although the Vorlons would be a nice match.
Hmm ... heavy battlecruiser against a freighter ... ship with a crew of 12 versus one-man fighter ... where is the Klingon honor in these actions? Swatting at smugglers is not the action of a true Klingon warrior. Besides, a member of Rogue Squadron or a competent B-Wing pilot would smoke the Bird of Prey.
Vor'Cha battlecruiser against a Star Destroyer - the Imps get this one. If they bother to stop at disabling the Klingons with their ion cannons, they've got hundreds of cannon fodder in white armor for boarding parties.
NegH'Var - dunno, need a size/crew compliment comparison. But it could be taken out by a single Jedi (Corran Horn or Quinlan Vos, or the Wookie Jedi Lobacca)(yeah, that's right - Jedi Wookies. Let's see the Klingons deal with that!)
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3rd September 07, 04:49 PM
#10
this is sorta off topic...but does anybody remember an anime series from the late 70's called Star Blazers? I vaguely remember the starship Yamamoto and that big cannon that blew whole planets up.
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