Broad Scots / Lallans

[gilmore]

Good observation. One of the reasons I'm not particularly fond of Rabbi Burns is that, while he promoted common Scot by writing in dialect, he trashed other aspects of common Scottish life.

He had an agenda and very powerful allies. There was a vision of Scotland he had that he wanted to present to the world. He used his art to promote but the subject matter eradicated practices he disagreed with.

What were those?

[Archangel]

What were those?

I don't want to get too caught up in this as we would quickly be hitting taboo subjects.

Read Burn's Holy Fair (and other poems), he was trashing a particular group. His movement succeeded in changing some laws. Those people he satirized moved to the US and started the Great Awakening.

Back to the point. In his effort to standardize how the Scottish enlightenment wanted to present Scotland to the world, Burns and his cohorts forced this group out. This got rid of a unique part of Scottish culture and replaced it with his. This is what was said about standardizing Lallans, one particular group/area would dominate to the exclusion of others.

I like the concept of Holy Fairs and would like to have seen them continue but, hey, read the book Holy Fairs by Schmidt.

[slohairt]

Aye, faurin ane dialect o Lallans ower anither daesna hae tae mean exterminatin or repressin the ithers. It semplie means that this wad be the kynd uised for offeecial ettles an aiblins schuil curriculum.

Think on English, for ensaumple. It wis decided lang syne that certaint dialects o the Sooth East wad be promoted insteid o, say, the Yorkshire dialect/accent. This daesna mean this dialect/accent is unricht, just nae uised for things like newscasts.

[slohairt]

Lallans, or raither Ulster-Scots/Ullans, is an aw ah recognised leid o Northren Ireland an Ireland (Co.Donegal) as per the Good Friday Agreement in 1998.

[Archangel]

Lallans, or raither Ulster-Scots/Ullans, is an aw ah recognised leid o Northren Ireland an Ireland (Co.Donegal) as per the Good Friday Agreement in 1998.

okay, respectfully, you lost me before the parentheses. What is the first part saying?

[Mr. Kilt]

When P1M first joined the rabble I was quite confused trying to read his posts. Once I figured them out, however, I anxiously looked forward to reading anything he posted. His photo-vacations are incredible, and he's a credit to the group.

As for the English language...what can you really say about it when you can pronounce a word like "ghoti" as "fish".

[sjrapid]

As for the English language...what can you really say about it when you can pronounce a word like "ghoti" as "fish".

Ah yes, George Bernard Shaw, (who spent much time and effort on an entirely unsuccessful campaign to simplify English spelling).

From memory it's:

gh as in tough
o as in women
ti as in nation

Best regards

[slohairt]

okay, respectfully, you lost me before the parentheses. What is the first part saying?

Lallans, or rather Ulster-Scots/Ullans, is also a recognised language of Northern Ireland and Ireland (Co. Donegal) as per the Good Friday Agreement in 1998.