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24th October 07, 11:04 AM
#11
First of all, I'd think that in the South, where a whole lot of the Scots and Scots Irish settled, they'd be a little more receptive to kilts.
Second, it cuts both ways. When I worked for a large insurance company a while back, we had national training seminars here in Chicago. This brought the gang from our Southern Division up here...and they dressed a whole lot different from the pinstripe navy blue suit dress oxfords types from our division.
One of the managers from the Southern Division wore a green suit...and I'm not talking Hunter Green...we were getting seriously close to Kelly Green...not the sort of thing that I was used to seeing in a business environment and I made a flippant comment that I thought was in jest but that he took as an insult. One of the old secretaries had to stop and explain to me that this was just the way it was...that the guys from the South just had a different approach to their wardrobes and that that was just the way it was...it was a CULTURAL thing and she basically said, in a very nice way, that it was not given to me to judge. I apologized and things were all right but I'll never forget the lesson of that day.
So in a world where people are wearing their flip flops to the White House and all year long...and they're wearing baggy cargo shorts for casual friday (can we go back in time and kill the bastard that came up with that concept?)...who besides a small minded wonk feels that they have room to comment? Good Lord, I was convinced that the whole thing was going to hell in a handbasket when people started showing up at funerals in their blue jeans!
So keep it up, creativeA, the odd compliments are worth all the grief. Maybe someday one of the sniggerers will come back and apologize for being so small minded much as I did with that fella years ago.
Best
AA
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24th October 07, 11:09 AM
#12
thanks for the observations
Originally Posted by creativeaccents
Curious for me, but a learning curve. Probably the first time as a straight, WASP, conservative that I was the recipient of ignorance and bigotry. Maybe we all need to experience that to know how it feels?!
Very perceptive of you, Creative Accents...I appreciate your posting this experience and your reactions.
Moosedog
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24th October 07, 01:33 PM
#13
Originally Posted by creativeaccents
Born and raised in the south, it didn't take much to become "different" based purely on outward appearances judged in one glance. It wasn't about who I was, but simply my appearance.
Lesson learned, sometimes its better not to go where ignorance abounds. On the other hand, it reconfirmed my desire to move to Asheville.
Back in the late '70'sI spent a year in Chattanooga and a year in Rome, Georgia. Even though my mother was originally from Virginia, I was a G** D*** Yankee. I decided I was a big city boy and moved back to Chicago.
Animo non astutia
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24th October 07, 05:12 PM
#14
FWIW, I spent a lifetime in blue pinstripe, white shirt, red tie, and wingtips. Wearing a blue shirt would have been ridiculed with, "where did you park your bus". Back then the uniform was an integral part of the corporate mystique. I wrote four books on all of this sort of thing. Raised by a Marine Sergeant Major where coming in second DID NOT HAPPEN! Had the corporate career, big house, nice cars and all the rest and did what kids from the 50's were expected to do, ie., go to the corporation, excel, advance, raise the children, et. al..
As an emergency room chaplain in a major hospital, I saw time after time how quickly life can change. Now, I do what I want to do ..some days writing, some days doing fine art or commercial photography, maybe distributing a few kilts. My word, for what it is worth for the young ...find what you love, do what you love to do, and be who your soul tells you that you truly are...at all costs.
And, by damn, I will wear my kilt and enjoy it...but be choosy in the company I keep.
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24th October 07, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by bikeolounger
I get the sniggles from onlookers from time to time, including when I was in a Q'Doba (regional chain of semi-Mexican fast food joints), wearing a black UK Original, and saw two college-aged guys looking pointedly at me and tittering amongst themselves. I ignored them after that, until the woman in front of me in line asked why they were being such feckwits--she liked my kilt.
So did the woman at the cash register.
In fact, of those who have commented to me, most have been appreciative. The negative comments have universally come from the immature, usually either college-aged or younger (or of similar inebriation to the stereotypical frat rat).
After reading so many comments on comments, I am sometimes surprised at the fairly low rate of discussion. Perhaps folks around here are more cosmopolitan than I give them credit for being.
I wear mine all the time to Q'Doba people just love it!
Granted some people are jerks, and even if you weren't Kilted they may find fault with you for something else.
Glen McGuire
A Life Lived in Fear, Is a Life Half Lived.
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24th October 07, 08:04 PM
#16
with some people culture can be the lowest common denominator
I'm an 18th century guy born into the 20th century and have been dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century.
We do not stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we stop playing"
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24th October 07, 08:18 PM
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Culture? That's the stuff you add to milk to turn it to cheese, ain't it?
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24th October 07, 10:09 PM
#18
I’ve had similar experiences at Bluegrass Music Festivals in the mid-Atlantic States area.
So it’s not just Southern. (Bluegrass Music is IMHO as much “Mountain” as Southern.)
And the music is from “Border” States where folks fought on BOTH sides in The War Between the States / Civil War (Take your pick).
Rural/small town narrow-mindedness maybe.
Not used to mixing with folks from a wider area or folks that are “strangers”.
Add drink and (don’t) stir.
“We’re us – and you’re not.”
Not to paint with too broad a brush -- there are also thankfully many friendly and accepting folks.
But there are some other kinds of folks too and you can’t fight them all -- especially not a gang of them at the same time.
Good way to get hurt.
Odd since that music is from an area settled by many Scots.
Father of Bluegrass music Bill Monroe? (Munro.)
Or maybe not so odd. There is a type of Mountain personality/attitude (some not all) that is shall we say definitely not cosmopolitan.
[FONT="Georgia"][B][I]-- Larry B.[/I][/B][/FONT]
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24th October 07, 10:52 PM
#19
I must say, in my admittedly limited experience, I have received far more positive responses to the kilt from rural folks than city boys.
I will however agree about college age guys tending to be idiots. And the girls are too, but they're just not as irritating.
I actually enjoy it when someone tries to give me crap about the kilt. I always have a witty response, and it's always fun to drive a jerk nuts.
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25th October 07, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry124
I’ve had similar experiences at Bluegrass Music Festivals in the mid-Atlantic States area.
So it’s not just Southern. (Bluegrass Music is IMHO as much “Mountain” as Southern.)
Bluegrass is definitely derived from the Appalachian mountain music, which is ironically derived from the tunes the Irish and Scottish settlers brought with them. Many of the traditional bluegrass tunes come directly from the old country.
Originally Posted by Larry124
And the music is from “Border” States where folks fought on BOTH sides in The War Between the States / Civil War (Take your pick).
Actually, pretty much all the States had folks fighting on each side, some just more than others.
Also, the mountainous regions of the southern States often didn't agree with the rest of the state, especially about seccession. The State of West Virginia is the best example. However, the inhabitants of the Smoky Mountain region of Tennessee and North Carolina also didn't agree with the rest of their state. They were just too isolated from the Union.
Originally Posted by Larry124
Not to paint with too broad a brush -- there are also thankfully many friendly and accepting folks.
Very true, a lot of "country" folk are some of the friendliest you'll ever meet. They'll invite you in and give you a meal and maybe even a place to stay. Of course, they'll probably talk about your weird clothes when they're alone.
We're fools whether we dance or not, so we might as well dance. - Japanese Proverb
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