Have You Ever Been Falsly Accused of Flashing When Kilted?

[Riverkilt]

Some time back I think I posted a thread about being kilted at a restaurant on the rez and a Navajo woman sent the waiter over to tell me to watch how I sat. I wasn't pleased because it was a great embarrassment to the young waiter and there was absolutely no way the lady could have seen anything from where she was sitting.

I've had people come back to me and say a lady claims I flashed her in an AA meeting. Not possible since even when I don't have underwear on my chubby thighs block the view of the bits and a person would have to get their eyes down to my knee level to see up my kilt...and all they'd see is fat thighs.

Crashing with a friend a few weeks ago I was seated on a couch with a deep back. My friend's roomate was off to my left and standing. When I got up she made a big to-do that I was flashing her. From her angle it would be impossible, but she made a big "whooo" type fuss.

This came to me on the discrimination thread, just pulling it off to not steal the thread.

I mean jeez, when someone accuses you of flashing - even though they are dead wrong and the line of sight is impossible for reasons of geometry, darkness, and flabby thighs...what can you say?

Anyone else had this insanity happen to them? And any ideas for handling these false accusations when they happen?

Thanks,

Ron

[Nighthawk]

My mom told me that I should sit like a lady when I wear my kilt. So I did. When I crossed my legs... well, we all know what fell out. So accused? No. Not exactly. Did intentionally? Guilty...

So I say that they can't accuse you twice. May as well be guilty of it if you're being accused of it- kinda like the whole double jeopardy thing.

[James MacMillan]

This has happened to me, and I can only chalk it up to overly active imagination.

[SexyButler]

My mom told me that I should sit like a lady when I wear my kilt. So I did. When I crossed my legs... well, we all know what fell out. So accused? No. Not exactly. Did intentionally? Guilty...

Good boy. Mom is proud!


Ron, I can honestly say that I have never been accused of a kilt flash. Di

[Rex_Tremende]

I accompanied a friend to see a local preview of a new big movie once. Some time later, my friend informed me that a friend of his, who was also in the house for the same show, "saw everything." I asked where the fellow had been sitting, because given the seat design, lighting, and angles, along with my conscienciousness about it, I don't know how anyone who was not in the seats directly in front me craning their necks for a look-see could see anything but my knees.

I've been told my kilt flies up high enough for people to determine the answer to The Question when I dance, but that would not be a false accusation.

Regards,
Rex.

[Panache]

Ron,

Millions and millions of ladies wear skirts far shorter than the average kilt and yet they manage to not flash people as they go about their day. This is because they know the very simple steps to make sure when sitting, seated, and rising they do not expose themselves.

It is expected that women wearing skirts will do this. Therefore these millions and millions of women are not accused of flashing people if there is some small possible chance they accidentally possibly exposed themselves. After all in polite society a gentleman or lady certainly doesn't notice something like that.

When women go out of their way to let on or show they are not wearing underwear it causes a stir and consternation.

Why should it be any different for men?

Gentlemen wearing kilts need to show common sense and a respect to others when sitting, seated, and rising.

Perhaps there is a a greater onus on us because men in skirts are far fewer in society and that in the popular folklore surrounding kilt wearing it assumed that men wearing kilts do not wear underwear.

Ron, I also need to be pretty direct here to you. I speak not as a Mod, just another member of XMTS.

You have made it pretty clear here on this forum that one of the great joys you have in kilt wearing is not wearing underwear. This makes me wonder about comments or references you may have made as you have gone about your daily activities.

You have often made the joke "my balls made parole" (which frankly as a member of a family friendly place like XMTS doesn't make me too comfortable). If you have said this or similar comments to the people around you and then have sat with wide stance or not taken care care when getting up or down, then I imagine that there is going to be those with feelings that this carelessness is deliberate.

Never have I been accused of flashing someone and this is simply because I am a gentleman and have never given anyone the least cause to think such.

I offer it as a possibility that you may have contributed to this suspicion and
sometimes we cause the very problems we complain about.

Something to think about.

Cheers

Jamie

[Bellfree]

Ron, I had a rueful smile while reading your post. Yes, I've had folks say they could see something as I sat while kilted, even though my position or theirs or both would have made that next to impossible. And every time, it set me to wondering: what is their issue? I mean I'm 55, as happily married as one can be after 35 years of marriage, and past the point of wanting to draw attention or cause a stir.

I've thought that maybe the folks, mainly female members of my family come to think of it, were expressing some of their own frustration from years of guarding against others "seeing something" or dealing with people saying or acting like they had indeed seen "something"; maybe they were eager for the chance to return the favor on a guy. I don't know; I don't argue, just adjust for effect and/or apologize.

Last Thanksgiving, my brother-in-law and I were kilted, and a couple of aunts who had missed the last reunion were mighty curious about out kilts, and though they never posed "the question", I noticed they were sure eagle-eyed when we sat. Hadn't been that scrutinized since I was twentysomething! (...of course back then I may have been tempted to "give them something to talk about", as one of Bonnie Raitt's songs go.

Anyway, I've never retorted or disputed. So far, a "sorry about that, won't happen again" has sufficed.

[Frank McGrath]

At the company party, I was kilted. My supervisor was sitting across the room from me and was trying desperately to reach me by cell phone to tell me I was showing. Well, why on earth would I take my cell phone to a company party. All the bits were covered and I keep the sporran in the proper place. I just think he had tooo much to drink and wanted to show the people at the table he could use the phone.
The other time was in church one sunday, when the pastor walks over and says please don't bend over. He said some of the congregation had asked him to let me know. I just laughed at him and said don't worry, they are not your bits. He never said another word and was soon transferred. New pastors like my kilt.

[Riverkilt]

Yikes Jamie....I'm feeling falsly accused again.

Sorry, ever since day one of wearing a kilt I've been VERY cautious of how I sit, the wind, and all other factors we, and the ladies have to deal with. I've taken time to watch movies with kilted actors to see how they sit kilted, watched Ham's videos, watched how ladies in skirts sat down and sit.

These days I seldom venture forth without underwear when kilted - mostly because I'm gonna be at work.

The parole line wasn't mine. I stole it off this board. Yes I've used it, but only after it "seemed" to be accepted on the board. Of course its on the edge, but apparently within the boundaries. I'll endeavor to use it no more.

But, Jamie, you do help me make the point; that it IS hard to defend yourself against false accusations. We've never met in person and here I am defending myself against what you, sight unseen, expect I "must have" done.

The post was intended to find out if others have been TRUELY falsely accused too. Rex and Bellfree, you understand, that's exactly the type of thing I'm asking about. Thank you.

It just doesn't seem good form to me to stand up in a restaurant, or a friends home, or an AA meeting, or most other venues and pull my kilt up to "prove" I'm wearing underwear and they couldn't have seen anything.

Me, I feel so hopeless when falsly accused because there is so little one can say or do to effectively refute the FALSE accusation. Was hoping the wisdom and experience on this board would help me and others who from time to time have that sad situation occur.

Ron

[Roan Carter]

"Wishful thinking, you silly goat."

That's what I would say. Some people will do anything to make a funny situation out of a kilt.