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                                                19th May 08, 05:05 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					My comment was not on the book, only on the "news" article.  History Books are only written by the victors. The losers aren't interested in promoting their loss.
 For the most part Anglo-American relations are on good terms, but you would never think it possible if you studied the history works of the two nations. My U.K. book decries the revolt of the colonies, and the dishonourable actions of those subjects of the Crown. My U.S. book celebrates the vanquish of the Crown on certain battlefields by the "Patriots". Both are intended to evoke the glory of the side it is written for.
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                19th May 08, 05:23 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	You've never been to the South, have you?
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by SteveB   My comment was not on the book, only on the "news" article.  History Books are only written by the victors. The losers aren't interested in promoting their loss.
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 *DISCLAIMER: No offence is meant towards our Southern brethren. As the Yankee husband of a Southerner, I greatly admire the Southerner's pride of place and sense of history.
 
 
 
	There is a relatively new trend in American history to not study the Rebellion/Revolution in a vacuum, but to place it in a more broader Colonial North American context. At present I am reading Andrew Roberts' sequel to Churchill's History of the English-Speaking Peoples which is quite fascinating.
		
			
			
				For the most part Anglo-American relations are on good terms, but you would never think it possible if you studied the history works of the two nations. My U.K. book decries the revolt of the colonies, and the dishonourable actions of those subjects of the Crown. My U.S. book celebrates the vanquish of the Crown on certain battlefields by the "Patriots". Both are intended to evoke the glory of the side it is written for.
			
		 
 The American Revolution really was our first Civil War in many ways.
 
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                                                19th May 08, 05:28 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	Och! Say it aint so!
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by BMackay   I have conducted extensive research, and have it on good authority that Matt Newsome is a fictitious character invented by Hank (the founder of xmarksthescot) to increase his traffic to this site and sell more ad space. 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                19th May 08, 06:18 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					  Originally Posted by BMackay   I have conducted extensive research, and have it on good authority that Matt Newsome is a fictitious character invented by Hank (the founder of xmarksthescot) to increase his traffic to this site and sell more ad space.  I read that comment out loud to my wife and it made her laugh! 
 Seriously, though...  I wrote one of my recent Scottish Banner articles on the Rawlinson story and how people like to make a mountain out of a molehill.  Those of you who subscribe to the paper, I think it was in the April issue.  Anyway, it was recently.  The article will be added to my archives page soon.
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                19th May 08, 06:36 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	I can support the above claim with indesputable evidence.  So as to stay in good favor with Hank, I will not post it on the open board.  PM me for details.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by BMackay   I have conducted extensive research, and have it on good authority that Matt Newsome is a fictitious character invented by Hank (the founder of xmarksthescot) to increase his traffic to this site and sell more ad space. 
 
 
	See the elaborate measures being taken to perpetuate this ruse?
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by M. A. C. Newsome    I read that comment out loud to my wife and it made her laugh!
 
Seriously, though...  I wrote one of my recent Scottish Banner articles on the Rawlinson story and how people like to make a mountain out of a molehill.  Those of you who subscribe to the paper, I think it was in the April issue.  Anyway, it was recently.  The article will be added to my archives page soon.   
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                19th May 08, 07:05 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	Probably not. If one believes that pants/trousers are descended from the Celtic breccae or Gaelic triubhas (trews), than they were certainly created by men just as great!
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by Big Homestead   Uhm, can we counter claim that pants and underwear were invented by *ahem*, lesser men?
 However, it doesn't really matter in the skeem of things. Clearly we have one individual tryin to make a difference and a career by stirring the pot. Whatever the motive, He is allowed to feel how he wants and say how he feels, and we are all aloud to laugh at his statements with the same sentiment.
 
 Laughter is fun. Maybe it's just a really poor french joke he's tryin to pull.
  Not sure about undies, though... [B][COLOR="DarkGreen"]John Hart[/COLOR]Owner/Kiltmaker - Keltoi
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                19th May 08, 07:43 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	Rather a sweeping generalization.  I've probably got almost as many books on WWII written from the German perspective as from the US or British perspective.  I think what you may have intended to say is that the victors tend to read only the histories that glorify their triumphs. That, of course, is the way of human nature.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by SteveB   History Books are only written by the victors. 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                20th May 08, 01:54 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					There is a slightly more objective review of the book here - http://entertainment.timesonline.co....cle3953025.ece - which relies a bit less on the sensational.Irrespective of who invented the kilt or when, it is now undeniably a form of dress unique to Scotland which is really all that matters. The Welsh and Irish have recently adopted their own forms of highland dress and just because it was originally Scottish doesn't make it any less valid for them. It is just the same old "cowboy jeans" argument all over again.
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                20th May 08, 03:52 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					If Scottish Highland culture was an English invention, then why did they outlaw it in 1746? Then how did those 5,000 highlanders lose their lives? What were they fighting for? 
 This book announcement is just another one of those numb skulls trying to rewrite history for his own benefit.
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                                                20th May 08, 05:10 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	Because like many large organizations, sometimes one hand doesn't know what the other is doing.  I work for such an org.  BTW, I don't believe the Rawlinson theory.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by sirdaniel1975   If Scottish Highland culture was an English invention, then why did they outlaw it in 1746? Then how did those 5,000 highlanders lose their lives? What were they fighting for? 
 This book announcement is just another one of those numb skulls trying to rewrite history for his own benefit.
 
	
 
	
	
 
	
	
	
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