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    This is a point in history that I find interesting. Before I began reading up on it, I too believed that it was an England vs Scotland event. If I understand the situation correctly now, a better description is that it was the House of Stuart trying to wrest the British Crown back from the House of Hanover. Regarding Bonnie Prince Charlie's linguistic abilities (I wish I could remember my source), I read that he spoke Italian, French, English and Polish. No mention of Gaelic though.
    As to the French involvement, I get the impression that France viewed the occasion as one more chance to spit in England's soup. I have the same view regarding the American Revolution. I find it hard to believe that the French Monarchy had any great interest in the establishment of a Democratic Republic anywhere in the world.
    The actions following the Battle of Culloden were certainly atrocious, but Daz has the right of it when he says that we shouldn't view 18th century events with 21st century standards. The Highland Clans behaved the same way towards each other periodically throughout history. The Acts of Proscription were an assault on Highland culture, but it is my understanding that they were unevenly enforced at best. I believe that the death knell for Highland life came from the "Clearances" a few years later.
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    Thank's already for the good posts. I do not place blame on any one. History is history and being in the military my self,I understand that its largely the leaders who are responsible for battles and actions, not the individual soldiers, on either side. The book I am reading does not make mention of the language ability of Charles except that he did not speak Gaelic. I do now that it was not an English./Scottish event but tow houses and yes, two religions vying for control of England/Scotland.

    The lowlanders of the time were more capitalist and enlightened and also (largely) protestant. The Highlanders wanted to keep the clan system and the Clan chiefs that sided with Charlie saw him in charge as a way to keep their land holdings and titles. They also felt an obligation, it seems, to the stuarts and the way things used to be.

    It seems France wanted to help, just like Piper said, to "spit in the English's soup." That's why the got involved in our revolution as well. If they couldn't have America, then neither could the English. After a few set backs,it seems they behave in their normal behavior and basically cut off their help, which forced Charles to act on his own and He didn't plan out his actions very well which caused the impending loss at Culloden.

    I am looking forward to more about tis or any other History related items.

    Thank you,

    Darin
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    When CES and the Scots were in Derby the nobility and wealthy merchants of London were on the point of fleeing with whatever they could carry, for there was no way they could see of defending themselves in the usual way and expected CES to arrive within a couple of weeks at the latest.

    However - the promises made by CES of French support had come to nothing, and they were a long way from home. Perhaps without the promises and knowing they had to rely on their own resources they would have been more resolute? Perhaps if both the Prince's ships had made the journey from France, instead of one being chased away by an English ship and the money it contained was lost to the cause - perhaps, perhaps...

    They were already rebelling against the Princes authority when a man arrived to inform them that a considerable number of soldiers were blocking their way to London, and more were marching to join them. At this the Prince's commanders decided to return to Scotland.

    The man with information, however, was an English agent, and his news of an English army was a total fabrication.

    British history unfolded entirely differently due to that incident - if - for instance, a French spy had traveled from London to meet CES and reported to the commanders that the road to the capital was open and undefended, the Stuart kings might have ruled here, though who knows for how long?
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