I was using the shuffle not very well, then tried the glide and it worked for me a little bit better. Then in the middle of a competition after throwing the glide 2 times I decided to go back to shuffle my 3rd and threw it 4 feet more that way so I'm back into the shuffle again so I'm just switching back and forth. I have tried the spin many times and cannot even throw it 20 feet that way. The spin was just impossible for me. My friend is pretty good at stones uses the shuffle very well throwing over 36 feet so i try to copy what he's doing and i throw it about 28 feet at the most.