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16th October 08, 01:14 PM
#21
 Originally Posted by cajunscot
It is the personal flag of the Sovereign of Scotland, not a battle flag.
T.
Thanks for the correction. I got the idea it was a battle flag because I read somewhere about it being carried in battle along with the Saltare.
"A day spent in the fields and woods, or on the water should not count as a day off our allotted number upon this earth."
Jerry, Kilted Old Fart.
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16th October 08, 01:25 PM
#22
 Originally Posted by bowser
I think your all taking it a bit seriously, you can buy both of them as patches at almost every gift shop in Scotland and for that matter most in London, not something that you would find with the presidential.
In addition that is no longer the royal standard, its the old standard of scotland the current is standard is the royal which incorporates the scots/Irish/English
I think you will find in general Americans have a lot more reverence for flags than we do over here.
Yes, I saw the old RL flown at the lodge where I stayed near Taynuilt.
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16th October 08, 04:53 PM
#23
 Originally Posted by bowser
I think your all taking it a bit seriously, you can buy both of them as patches at almost every gift shop in Scotland and for that matter most in London, not something that you would find with the presidential.
In addition that is no longer the royal standard, its the old standard of scotland the current is standard is the royal which incorporates the scots/Irish/English
I think you will find in general Americans have a lot more reverence for flags than we do over here.

So it's OK for the RL?
Well, I was originally planning to wear just the Saltire but....
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16th October 08, 05:26 PM
#24
In Scotland the RL is still personal to the Sovereign, and is different than the Royal Standard (splitting hairs here). As a matter of interest, this summer I attended three Scottish games. When the judges went around judging clan tents those displaying the RL were immediately disqualified... the comment was something like, "they should know better". Then the judges moved on to the next tent.
Scotland has only one flag-- the saltire. That's the one I'd wear.
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16th October 08, 09:40 PM
#25
 Originally Posted by bowser
I think your all taking it a bit seriously, you can buy both of them as patches at almost every gift shop in Scotland
In addition that is no longer the royal standard, its the old standard of scotland the current is standard is the royal which incorporates the scots/Irish/English
I think you will find in general Americans have a lot more reverence for flags than we do over here.

The Rampant Lion standard is personal to the Sovereign and is different than the the Royal standard you show. The latter is the personal standard of the Queen and quarters the rampant lion.
Yes, nearly every souvenir shop in Scotland offers the Rampant Lion in one form or another. That doesn't make it correct, of course, just commonly misused. It IS a beautiful standard and that makes it highly desireable from a commercial point of view.
On your last point, Bowser, I couldn't agree with you more: the US President's flag I posted earlier is known by all in the US to be inappropriate for common use; the Rampant Lion is also inappropriate (with respect, even some Scots don't know that) for common use.
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16th October 08, 10:44 PM
#26
 Originally Posted by English Bloke
Thanks for posting that. Although I am not looking for a saltire patch, I found some there that I have been searching for.
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17th October 08, 10:31 AM
#27
flag reverence.
 Originally Posted by bowser
I think you will find in general Americans have a lot more reverence for flags than we do over here.
The most obvious example of this to my eye is the prevalence of clothing "out of" the flag. Until very recently and still pretty uncommon you would never see t shirts, boxers, shorts, etc of the US flag yet regularly see the Union Jack, Saltire, Irish National, Italian, French flags on the same items particularly at football/ soccer matches.
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17th October 08, 04:14 PM
#28
I think it must have started when Def Lepard started wearing Union Jack clothing.
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17th October 08, 06:25 PM
#29
 Originally Posted by Cerebite
The most obvious example of this to my eye is the prevalence of clothing "out of" the flag. Until very recently and still pretty uncommon you would never see t shirts, boxers, shorts, etc of the US flag yet regularly see the Union Jack, Saltire, Irish National, Italian, French flags on the same items particularly at football/ soccer matches.
Of course, it should be pointed out that in some countries, private citizens do not fly the state flag at all -- only recently has India, for example, made it legal for her citizens to display the national flag.
Regards,
Todd
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17th October 08, 06:34 PM
#30
 Originally Posted by Cerebite
The most obvious example of this to my eye is the prevalence of clothing "out of" the flag. Until very recently and still pretty uncommon you would never see t shirts, boxers, shorts, etc of the US flag yet regularly see the Union Jack, Saltire, Irish National, Italian, French flags on the same items particularly at football/ soccer matches.
Hmm....you must have missed the '60's.
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