Nulty, I feel for you.....just can't reach. I had my knee scoped in the early '80's but the Dr said he couldn't do anything for it. One of the interior ligaments was stretched to about twice the proper length. So, I've been excersizing properly since then to use other muscles to support it till it breaks. My plan is to not let it happen. Now, my thumbs are another story. Apparently there is no cartilage in either one. Hurts like !#$^@$%& when it's cold out and my wife says I've lost my grip.