The Importance of knowing the Rules of Kilted Fashion

[Bart_In_A_Kilt]

I read the thread of the do's and donts of kilt wearing. It was fun, and I'm sure when the time comes that I'll probably be a little "less than authentic" in my attire, however, I hope that I don't end up as a new post in that thread.

LOL

[Phil]

Jock, have you not realised yet? We are two nations separated by a total lack of tradition, never mind a common language. You and I know perfectly well how to dress because that's what our parents and those before them showed us by their example. If you have ever been to America you will begin to realise that nothing is what it seems to be. French dressing (apologies here to Ancienne Alliance) in America is not a subtle blend of olive oil, wine vinegar and herbs - no - it is a raucous tomatoey concoction like nothing you have ever tasted before. The World Series superbowl isn't actually played in the world, only in America but, what the hell! Our traditions and values are not those found across the pond but instead are those created by a people divorced from their heritage by thousands of miles and hundreds of years at a time when interaction was impossible due to the communications of the age. So when you see the farragoes that purport to represent Scottish culture and tradition you must understand where they are coming from. I used to regularly encounter American tourists in Edinburgh in shorts, flowery shirts, swearing expletives uncontrollably - the whole panoply of execrable dress and behaviour and quietly shake my head in pity. And yet they probably thought they were the greatest thing since sliced bread because everybody in Poughkeepsie dresses like this and for the greatest country in the world, well that must be good enough for everyone else.

[Jock Scot]

My apologies...I don't want to hijack this thread but I just have to ask:

And I want to ask this as respectfully as I possibly can (frankly, it is just a matter of curiousity more than anything else)...

But your profile says that you are posting from "the Highlands, Scotland," and yet you say "this is the USA...."

???

Tim Little has answered for me,thanks Tim. Is that OK DWF11? Can I point out that I am not arrogant enough to think that my advice is spot on and that everyone, or, even anyone should follow my advice! Very far from it.

[Jock Scot]

Jock, have you not realised yet? We are two nations separated by a total lack of tradition, never mind a common language. You and I know perfectly well how to dress because that's what our parents and those before them showed us by their example. If you have ever been to America you will begin to realise that nothing is what it seems to be. French dressing (apologies here to Ancienne Alliance) in America is not a subtle blend of olive oil, wine vinegar and herbs - no - it is a raucous tomatoey concoction like nothing you have ever tasted before. The World Series superbowl isn't actually played in the world, only in America but, what the hell! Our traditions and values are not those found across the pond but instead are those created by a people divorced from their heritage by thousands of miles and hundreds of years at a time when interaction was impossible due to the communications of the age. So when you see the farragoes that purport to represent Scottish culture and tradition you must understand where they are coming from. I used to regularly encounter American tourists in Edinburgh in shorts, flowery shirts, swearing expletives uncontrollably - the whole panoply of execrable dress and behaviour and quietly shake my head in pity. And yet they probably thought they were the greatest thing since sliced bread because everybody in Poughkeepsie dresses like this and for the greatest country in the world, well that must be good enough for everyone else.

I note what you say Phil and you are right! But the Americans are far too nice to give up on!

[Bugbear]

I'm so sorry I wore that flat cap, Jock!! Oh, the guilt, the guilt!!

[Jock Scot]

Huzzah.

To ask for advice, receive it and then tell the one giving advice THAT WAS ASKED FOR that what they've said is bunk and they're going to do XYZ anyway...

...is rude, arrogant and so totally and utterly STUPID that I'd be inclined to put the person on "ignore" from that point out.

Mind, this i s not what Panache did. Panache asked for advice, listened to it, thanked Jock for it, and then decided to do something different. I rather doubt that he told Jock that his ideas were bunk.

Carry on, Jock.

Thanks Alan. Jamie is far too polite to tell anyone that their ideas are bunk-------he just ignored me instead! I am going to cry!

[Phil]

I note what you say Phil and you are right! But the Americans are far too nice to give up on!

Jock, I couldn't agree more. And the worst part is that we know where they originally came from so what does that say about us! That is a question I have asked myself so many times over the last 8 years or so. I was so encouraged and heartened watching the inauguration the other day and thought - those are the values of our people, hard work and concern for others. God bless him and keep him in his enterprise because I truly believe his values are the same ones we share.

[Ayin McFye]

I read the thread of the do's and donts of kilt wearing. It was fun, and I'm sure when the time comes that I'll probably be a little "less than authentic" in my attire, however, I hope that I don't end up as a new post in that thread.

LOL

LOL, Welcome to Xmarks btw. I think if you have read through the Do's and Don'ts then I think you are going to be way ahead of the curve. Panache and I have pictures in the Do's and Don'ts thread we put there ourselves committing a Don't. It was one of our first times in a kilt, and we both learned and grown a lot since those old days. Everyone has to start somewhere, but like I said, if you've read that thread then you should be good.

Cheers!

[macwilkin]

Jock, have you not realised yet? We are two nations separated by a total lack of tradition, never mind a common language. You and I know perfectly well how to dress because that's what our parents and those before them showed us by their example. If you have ever been to America you will begin to realise that nothing is what it seems to be. French dressing (apologies here to Ancienne Alliance) in America is not a subtle blend of olive oil, wine vinegar and herbs - no - it is a raucous tomatoey concoction like nothing you have ever tasted before. The World Series superbowl isn't actually played in the world, only in America but, what the hell! Our traditions and values are not those found across the pond but instead are those created by a people divorced from their heritage by thousands of miles and hundreds of years at a time when interaction was impossible due to the communications of the age. So when you see the farragoes that purport to represent Scottish culture and tradition you must understand where they are coming from. I used to regularly encounter American tourists in Edinburgh in shorts, flowery shirts, swearing expletives uncontrollably - the whole panoply of execrable dress and behaviour and quietly shake my head in pity. And yet they probably thought they were the greatest thing since sliced bread because everybody in Poughkeepsie dresses like this and for the greatest country in the world, well that must be good enough for everyone else.

Phil -- not everyone in America is like that, though. I cringe whenever I read such stereotypes of Americans, because quite frankly, I resent that I am represented by such folks.

I do hope you didn't mean this post to sound condescending towards your American cousins, but it sure does read that way.

Todd

[Panache]

Phil,

I like you, and you often have insightful comments to offer.

Those you expressed above I do not count among them.

America is a young country by the world's standards.

We are a wonderful amalgamation of many different heritages.

We are a country of great ideals and principles and a sense of anything being possible.

This ability to remember and honor the past and yet look forward and create the new is uniquely American.

Your posts threaten to derail a productive and friendly discussion.

It is so very very easy to find differences to split us.

It takes better eyes to see the common ground.

I respectfully ask of my American Brothers and Sisters to show a bit of restraint and forgiveness for some of the less than pleasant thoughts in Phil's posts toward our country.

Americans are nothing is not big hearted

Respectfully

Jamie