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29th January 09, 03:45 PM
#41
If indoors, my "headgear" is removed. But out doors, normally just nod & "touch the "brim"with my thumb & forefinger
This is added to opening a door for a Lady, is how I was raised.
Puffer
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29th January 09, 03:56 PM
#42
I do almost exactly the same as Jock. I always make a "tip of the hat" gesture to a lady when introduced without actually taking the bonnet off. Only when meeting an older (much older) lady do I make a show of removing the bonnet. I do so out of respect for the lady's advanced age.
Jim Killman
Writer, Philosopher, Teacher of English and Math, Soldier of Fortune, Bon Vivant, Heart Transplant Recipient, Knight of St. Andrew (among other knighthoods)
Freedom is not free, but the US Marine Corps will pay most of your share.
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29th January 09, 04:42 PM
#43
Originally Posted by McMurdo
I do the same as you Jock, I also open car doors and pull out chairs,
Is this done before they sit, or while they are in the act of sitting?
Originally Posted by McMurdo
I must admit to not standing every time a woman enters the room, I guess it's my upbringing. I also think that part of the reason you do not see such gestures in North America anymore would be the proliferance of Baseball Hats, actually I prefer the term Baseball Caps, as these are truly not hats. I think they are absolutely ridiculous it is to my mind akin to wearing some other piece of athletic wear when not on the field. Perhaps I should change with the times but I absolutely loath Baseball Caps.
I'm not sure I loathe 'ball caps as much as I tend to abhor the behavior of those most often seen under them.
As far as removing my hat to a lady-- well, yes, always to a lady. It is a bit different with a balmoral, but generally I am pretty much in lockstep with Jock and Sandy. Formal situations (outdoors) are a bit different. If I am being formally introduced to a lady, it's bonnet on (especially with big feathers), a slight inclination of the body, and a gracious bow from the neck. Goodbye is much the same, except a gentle touching of the bonnet accompanies the "bow from the neck".
Those in 'ball caps should remove their cap, avert their gaze, and tug their fore lock. If you doubt this, PM McMurdo.
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29th January 09, 04:48 PM
#44
Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown
Is this done before they sit, or while they are in the act of sitting?
For car doors before Pulling out the chair normally before also.
Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown
I'm not sure I loathe 'ball caps as much as I tend to abhor the behavior of those most often seen under them.
I would have to agree with that statement.
Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown
As far as removing my hat to a lady-- well, yes, always to a lady. It is a bit different with a balmoral, but generally I am pretty much in lockstep with Jock and Sandy. Formal situations (outdoors) are a bit different. If I am being formally introduced to a lady, it's bonnet on (especially with big feathers), a slight inclination of the body, and a gracious bow from the neck. Goodbye is much the same, except a gentle touching of the bonnet accompanies the "bow from the neck".
I would do the same, in a formal outdoor setting
Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown
Those in 'ball caps should remove their cap, avert their gaze, and tug their fore lock. If you doubt this, PM McMurdo.
Please do, perhaps I can show you the error of your ways.
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29th January 09, 06:55 PM
#45
baseball cap post deleted, 'cause not necessary. Carry on!
Last edited by Alan H; 29th January 09 at 07:08 PM.
Reason: unnecessary phlegm
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29th January 09, 07:57 PM
#46
I do the same as you Jock
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29th January 09, 08:30 PM
#47
I'm happy to report I've mended my manners!
This evening I went to a bluegrass pickin', and wore a western-style hat (not kilted; blue jeans and flannel shirt instead). I made a point of either raising the hat off my head or lifting the brim to every lady I spoke with. These ladies ranged in age from 50-86, and I'm 32. They ALL liked it. Theirs eyes widened, a smile came upon their faces, and their deportment softened.
I know there are some folks who think all that sort of thing is out of style or offensive to women, but, to the ones I interacted with tonight, it was much appreciated.
Carry on, lads, carry on.
--dbh
When given a choice, most people will choose.
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29th January 09, 09:16 PM
#48
I am with Jock on this one. While in tartan kilt the Glenngarry is worn. A slight bow and touch of the hat is in order.
That said, while at work, (trousers required also) the hat remains on, even though it is indoors. It is a rather stunning yellow plastic, and required to be in place by law. The same style is worn by my female co-workers. (Hard hat).
For the baseball cap. I wear one when out in the sun, as a visor over my eyes and eyeglasses to reduce glare. When greeting or being greeted by a lady, a slight bow, and tip of the cap is my custom. In passing in the stream of city life, I just continue on my way without any action. Here in the City of Boston, I am likely to get a very inhospitable remark for holding a door, or adjusting the chair for some of the opposite gender. There are quite a few who feel that it is not proper to do such for your equals. (avoiding any political connotations). I always proffer my seat on the train, bus, or trolley. This is most of the time welcomed, and only rarely refused.
BTW, courtesy gestures to the ladies while kilted are always acknowledged in a positive manner, but while wearing trousers, usually get rebuffed.???
"the times, they are a changin'..."
Slainte
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29th January 09, 09:51 PM
#49
Well, if she happens to be wearing a Kilt Inspector t-shirt I stop, smile, set my legs to the parade rest position, open my arms wide and wait.
Ron
Ol' Macdonald himself, a proud son of Skye and Cape Breton Island
Lifetime Member STA. Two time winner of Utilikiltarian of the Month.
"I'll have a kilt please, a nice hand sewn tartan, 16 ounce Strome. Oh, and a sporran on the side, with a strap please."
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29th January 09, 11:04 PM
#50
Originally Posted by beloitpiper
where women want to be treated the same as men.
Ah, and therein lies the rub.
Although I must admit it has been quite some time since I was "scolded" for opening the door for a 'lady'. As for the hat tip, when introduced while wearing a cap the most common for me is to remove the hat entirely, barring that the thumb and fore-finger to the brim as several others have mentioned.
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