Buckled Brogues

[JSFMACLJR]

For all of you who expressed dislike for buckled brogues, and called them "nancy" and effete and not very masculine...the shoes of little girls--

I'd like you to tell it to this group of young officers:


Real men wear patent leather and buckles, and are proud of it!

[McMurdo]

Very good point Sandford. As you well know I like the look of them, with diced hose of course.

[runewolf]

I would love to try a pair, I have some major problems with my feet and my left ankle and would need to feel the fit before I could decide if they were for me or not. Unfortunately, unless I go to the UK, I will probably never find somewhere that has them in 13's.

[Scotus]

Sandford:

In general, I think there is a fear in many quarters of XMARKS about looking "effete." This comes from an ignorance of traditional Scottish attire, so I think this is why we get some of the negative reactions we do in regard (especially) to traditional footwear. For some, it's only "manly" if you're wearing boots with scrunched down socks.

[WARPIPER]

Sandford:

In general, I think there is a fear in many quarters of XMARKS about looking "effete." This comes from an ignorance of traditional Scottish attire, so I think this is why we get some of the negative reactions we do in regard (especially) to traditional footwear. For some, it's only "manly" if you're wearing boots with scrunched down socks.

As a former Army Office I wear mine with pride, However do understand the military traditionn and respect it.

[Scotus]

As a former Army Office I wear mine with pride, However do understand the military traditionn and respect it.

Most excellent! The more people see men in ghillie and buckled brogues, the more they will be accepted for what they are; a part of normal, modern Scottish attire.

[The Barry]

Some of us just don't like them. We're not calling people who wear buckle brogues "nancys", I just don't like the look of the buckled shoe. I think that some people tend to lean towards the military-style for "traditional" some people tend to look towards the commoner for a "traditional" look.

To each their own., but you can't deny that boots+kilt is a manly look!

[Scotus]

Some of us just don't like them. We're not calling people who wear buckle brogues "nancys"

I was only addressing my comments to those who think of the broques as less-than-manly, simply because they are unaware (or unappreciative) of the traditional Scottish attire that is still a part of modern Scottish national attire. Some people go on their first, gut reaction to these shoes by thinking, "That looks girly," which is kind of ironic in a kilt forum, if I do say so.

[siva011]

I can see the problem with some... while I understand the traditional attire, most people I would come in contact with would not. Explaining to someone about the kilt being a manly garment is one thing, and some can understand the kilted warrior concept, but with shoes that look feminine it just makes the whole process more difficult, and would seem to encourage more harassment. I'm not saying this is right, I'm saying what I observe. I'm rarely surrounded by the most open minded of people though, so...

Another problem is that these are traditional highland wear. Around my way, with the exception of Muslims in their religious wear and the Amish not too far away, no one of any heritage wears traditional wear, so it is not seen as common. Depending on what neighborhood I'm in, the city is filled with modern suits or jeans hanging off your rear with the stickers still on your crooked hat, or in the country it's just farm wear- jeans and t shirt. I don't expect anyone would understand MY traditional wear if they don't have any connection to their own.

For me, growing up in an area with a total lack of tradition, I have to ease my way into some of these. Kilts look great, but I haven't reached the buckle brogue point yet.

[Panache]

Sanford (and other buckle brogue fans of XMTS),

I think that you need to account for the fact that most men's dress shoes have the same basic design. When we think of a man's shoe the image we see in our minds eye either has laces or is a slip on model.

The ghillie brogues with their missing tongue and long laces with tassels at their ends seem a bit odd at first.

Now buckle brogues are even less familiar and hence less comfortable at first to us because they exhibit features that most men associate with ladies footwear.

After three plus years of kilt wearing and seeing enough ghillie brogues I finally decided that they looked good and got a pair. I like them now .

Richard (way2fractious) in our gang of friends owns a pair of buckle brogues and I admit that they look quite good with his formal attire. I'm not quite sold on the idea of wearing a pair myself but I'm getting used to them.

I do not have a problem with people not liking them, personal taste is personal taste after all. But it is a traditional look and should be respected as such.

On a somewhat related subject isn't there a third style of dress shoe worn with kilts?

There are ghillie brogues, buckle brogues, and then there are the shoes that Hamish wears formally that have the large buckle but not the strap.

Do these have a particular name and where do they fit in with a traditional look?

I rather like this third style.

I'll see if I can find a picture with them in it.

Cheers

Jamie