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15th February 09, 10:28 AM
#1
 Originally Posted by Zardoz
So, as a "traditional" kilt accessory, "Ghillie Brogues" as we know them are a tradition that is;
A, less than 100 years old.
B, English.

IMHO, MOST OF WHAT "MANY" TOUT as "TRADITIONAL SCOT'S WEAR" is of "LATE DATE" & HIGHLY ENGLISH INFLUENCED OR "CREATED" BY THEM.
1."CLAN TARTANS"
2."TRADITIONAL" 8 yard "Tanks"
3. "DRESS ATTIRE" (Jackets, ETC)
4. The "current" DRESS DIRK & SQIAN DUBH
5. ETC, ETC
Puffer
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17th February 09, 12:20 PM
#2
 Originally Posted by puffer
IMHO, MOST OF WHAT "MANY" TOUT as "TRADITIONAL SCOT'S WEAR" is of "LATE DATE" & HIGHLY ENGLISH INFLUENCED OR "CREATED" BY THEM.
1."CLAN TARTANS"
2."TRADITIONAL" 8 yard "Tanks"
3. "DRESS ATTIRE" (Jackets, ETC)
4. The "current" DRESS DIRK & SQIAN DUBH
5. ETC, ETC
Puffer
I would agree wholeheartedly with Puffer's statement here. Sadly what most people here regard as "Scottish" is largely a confection created for and by the English "new money" classes who populated the Highlands of Scotland, buying up huge swathes of land for the exclusive use of them and their guests to massacre every living thing in sight. The impetus for this was solely down to Queen Victoria and Prince Albert who embraced all things Scottish and bought a little holiday home (Balmoral Castle) on the banks of the river Dee. They were quickly followed by rich English industrialists etc., eager to join their monarch in this Highland idyll, never mind the poor locals whio just happened to live there. Their ancestral hunting and fishing rights were removed at a stroke to conform to the English practices of their new landlords (not Lairds but a whole different English-based relationship between owners and tenants). Take Lord Leverhume (Lever Bros. the soap/detergent people) buying and having sovereignty over a whole island and all of its people (Lewis). How does that appeal to today's egalitarian ideals? Of course they wanted the appropriate dress when visiting their Highland dominions so they got their tailors to run up kilts, jackets etc. - whatever seemed appropriate - and, of course they wanted to dress up with as much "bling" as possible hence the dirks, swords, sgian dhubhs, pistols, powder horns etc. ..etc... So, yes, pretty much everything seen today as "traditional" highland dress really goes back to those Englishmen who colonised the Highlands of Scotland, much as they colonised many other parts of the world. Why do you think that Scots are referred to as "Jocks?". Americans as "Yanks" and so many epithets such as "Frogs", "Eyties", "Dagoes", "Wops" the list is too long to mention but has its roots in a colonial superiority complex where anyone - and I mean ANYONE, who is not English is regarded as a member of an inferior race.
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17th February 09, 12:46 PM
#3
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Jamie
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