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[Panache]

My personal take on kilt hose

I think that there are white / ecru kilt hose and then there are white / ecru kilt hose.

I chose not to wear my white hose with my formal jacket this past Nor Cal Rabble's Burns' Night Supper (Todd helped me decide on charcoal grey which worked fine).

The biggest factor with me not the color but the quality.

Now Alan happens to have some absolutely wonderfully made hand knitted white / off white kilt hose.

My friend Andrew Lenz lent his brother (also a very good friend) a pair of similar hose (I believe in natural wool) for this event.

In comparrison my white hose were a thin and an acrylic wool blend.

I'm sorry but they just didn't cut it. It seemed silly to pair wear cheap hose with such a nice outfit.

If I were going to wear white / off white hose, especially with formal wear, I would want them to be nice ones like the Lewis hose that Matt Newsome sells or better.

By the by, Alan's hose and the one's John wore looked great with formal wear.

But instead of going for white Lewis hose or beautiful hand white hand knit ones I am becoming more and more intrigued by diced or argyll socks.

That doesn't make me a "staunch traditionalist" or "classic kilt attire lover" but it shows that those on XMTS who are such are an influence on my evolving sense of kilted fashion

Just my two cents

Cheers

Jamie

[Panache]

Well, when I first posed this question, I never expected a sort of "Spanish Inquisition"!

Ken,

NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUSITION!


It had to be said



Cheers

Jamie

[Jock Scot]

No worries, Jock.....carry on!

A question for you....If someone in, say Nevada in the USA, or perhaps in Argentina wears a kilt, and by this I mean a tartan kilt of at least more-or-less traditional form and construction, is he obligated in some moral/ethical manner to observe long-standing Scottish tradition on what's worn with the kilt? Please note that I'm not asking if it would be "smart" or "wise" of him to be acquainted with these traditions, but whether he has an ethical obligation to know and hew to these traditions.

(the notion of "long-standing" being a tough one to pin down, but let's say "long-standing" means through the current wearers parents generation. This means that if Pablo in Argentina wears a kilt, does he have an ethical duty to observe the kilt-wearing traditions current during his grandfathers and/or fathers generation? ..)

The corollary would be, of course, if someone in Scotland chose to wear, say, traditional Indian garments, or Japanese clothing, would they have a moral obligation to understand and adhere to traditional conventions on how they are worn.

Gosh is this thread still going? Yes Alan, I do expect a person from Argentina, for example, to observe the Scots kilt wearing traditions as best they can, out of courtesy. Particularly if they have taken the trouble to ask! I quite understand if things are adapted a wee tad for weather conditions, or, as I say, they are doing the best they can in the circumstances.

If I were to dress up in traditional Indian,or, Japanese,for example, attire I most certainly would give those nations the courtesy they deserve and wear their national costume to the best of my ability.I would expect everyone and anyone to do the same. What I most certainly would not do, is ask an Indian how to wear a turban,for example, get his advice and then tell him how I think it should be done!

[Jock Scot]

I do think that we need a separate forum for "classic" highland attire.

The Traditional kilt forum should be more or less about traditional kilts.

That is rather easy to regulate. When we start talking about style then a clear division between historical, classic, and modern ones with their own specific spot on XMTS would be useful.

Alan follows the conventions of the modern formal style.

You obviously are devoted to the classic one

Hamish happily glides through them all

Everyone looks good

As always Jock, I am very grateful for the information you and the others contribute. I like knowing the conventions. I may not always follow them (bucket hat) but I sure as heck want to make sure that when I do it is by choice.

Cheers

Jamie

Jamie I have slept on this issue of "Clasical" and "traditional" definitions. I can see what you are trying to achieve and of course in this modern day and age of neat lables,boxes,etc. that would make life so much simpler. Try as I might I can't really see any differance between "Clasical" kilts and attire and "traditional" ones. They are one and the same thing in my view and have been, more or less, since about the 1820's.

[Bugbear]

Jamie I have slept on this issue of "Clasical" and "traditional" definitions. I can see what you are trying to achieve and of course in this modern day and age of neat lables,boxes,etc. that would make life so much simpler. Try as I might I can't really see any differance between "Clasical" kilts and "traditional" ones. They are one and the same thing in my view and have been, more or less, since about the 1820's.

Jock, I think Panache is talking about all the accessories like hose, sporrans, bonnets, doublets, Argyles, etc, rather than the actual kilt. So wearing a Prince Charlie with silver mounted fur sporran, tartan or diced hose, and black bow tie for black tie attire would be classic black tie attire. Or a tweed Argyle with waistcoat, self colored hose, and four-in-hand tie would be classic daywear in Highland attire.

[Cherub]

Ken,

NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUSITION!


It had to be said



Cheers

Jamie

darn you beat me to it...

[Jock Scot]

Jock, I think Panache is talking about all the accessories like hose, sporrans, bonnets, doublets, Argyles, etc, rather than the actual kilt. So wearing a Prince Charlie with silver mounted fur sporran, tartan or diced hose, and black bow tie for black tie attire would be classic black tie attire.

Actually Ted so did I,in part. Although the PC is a bit of a late comer to the show. I will add the word attire.

[Bugbear]

Actually Ted so did I! Although the PC is a bit of a late comer to the show. I will add the word attire.

Ok, just wanted to make sure we were all on the same page, so to speak.

[Jock Scot]

Jock, I think Panache is talking about all the accessories like hose, sporrans, bonnets, doublets, Argyles, etc, rather than the actual kilt. So wearing a Prince Charlie with silver mounted fur sporran, tartan or diced hose, and black bow tie for black tie attire would be classic black tie attire. Or a tweed Argyle with waistcoat, self colored hose, and four-in-hand tie would be classic daywear in Highland attire.

Ted this is getting silly. The kilt attire that you call "classic" is one and the same thing as "traditional" and in my view has been that way,with a few addaptions,modifications,additions,subtractions along the way,since the 1820's. I am not for one second saying that things should be frozen in time. Kilt and kilt attire history clearly demonstrates that it adapts and changes.Nevertheless there are still conventions,courtesies and traditions to be observed.

[Phil]

Now a modern fashion is to buy a pair of trousers and wear them midway up one's pelvis. This allows one to proudly display the top of one's under wear. Of course one must then walk carefully and be constantly hitching up one's pants, but this is a small price to pay for looking cool. It is a striking look and makes the bold statement "I do not run!" (because of course one couldn't without tripping).

Without wishing to to turn the discussion to p@nts, I believe the fashion originated amongst the prison population as a result of them being denied wearing a belt (along with neckties, shoe laces and other potential ligatures). Quite why young people should regard this as cool is beyond me but it probably chimes with that other feature popular amongst them nowadays that was once the identifying mark of the prison population - tattoos.
Returning to the subject in hand, someone mentioned doublets. It is my understanding that it is quite proper to wear a doublet to a daytime function such as a wedding.